Preston Preston Preston

Preston always was a kook. I was never a fan of him because no matter what the topic was, he always had a way of saying that HIS way was the right way.

When he started fondling Barnes' nuts, he was finished forever! He's got an empty casket on his "forum" or whatever he calls that pathetic place.

Once again, Buyer Beware of dealing with Robert Barnes from Spider Machines. he is not legit and will definitely con you in some way and you'll be left hanging!

Jeff,

I think it's rude to compare Wes and Mariusz of 2M, to compare with Andrew of Printex. they are Poles Apart.

2M have delivered and have a history of delivery, ask Rick Fuqua of RPM. Yes a machine leaked, and that was put right. 2M deal straight no questions and quickly if any issues arise. They are not Printex. Attacking Printex and Barnes, fair game. Attacking 2M and it looks like MnR asking you to do to them what Barnes had you do to them perhaps. Not flash.

Preston, well why even mention him, it gives him credibility. I lost respect when he blamed the operator for the capture fork breaking when they hit the E-Stop. Bringing him up here again just gives him an audience he doesn't deserve. And the way he has behaved, he should have sent the Rhino back or to somebody who was grateful rather than biting the hand that feeds him. That too says a lot about him. But mentioning him here you may find someone new goes and takes a look at him and thinks he's the smartest person in the room again and starts to listen to him, which will do no good for them in time.

He dragging Preston back here is is pointless and really does give him credibility. The only beef I have with Preston right now is he is still falsely advertising a press,s print stroke.

Except both have made two very similar mistakes. Which will like it or not damage both the RPM and the Mustang brand. Will they stay in business, probably they are for sure building better equipment than Playtex.

What basis do you have to suggest M&R is having Jeff make comments/posts/etc. Seems like a wild claim with nothing to back it up.

I agree with you here. Why bother mentioning him. No reason to give him any credibility in this industry. He picked his bed, let him sleep in that sucker.

Which I made Robert and Sara aware of sizing issues on the site several times, that were never changed. Which was even before Preston was selling them. True indication of lack of care on their part. Of course nobody knew then that your print stoke would also be wrong....but when they couldn't even post correct sizing on their site, I knew there were going to be some issues on measurements from the start. It was clear early on nobody had their **** together.

Bashing Barnes Ok, bashing 2M not. They are small, so are lots of companies, mine and yours included, doesn't mean our word is not good and we deliver on time a good product and guarantee what we print. That is personal bashing
Jeff, like attacking Rich and his business dealings, ownership of MnR, borrowings etc, and I told you then also that is out-of-bounds speculation and just dirty, you make yourself look bad and dirty too and does nothing of value. Sure, Hammer Printex and Robert because they wronged so many people, and I agree with that fully, but every press ordered has been delivered by 2M, there have been faults, most likely way more than mentioned on here, they will own up to any faults and acknowledge, and put right the issues just like Rich with no latent issues dragging on and no dirt. Sure they are small, but they have capacity, they meet their leadtimes quoted, and as yet Fat Bob can't sell that many for them not to deliver, but from their perspective he adds enough sales to help that Rick at RPm just couldn't put through and they need volume enough as well as any business. We all take orders from the odd customer we would prefer not to deal with I guess, but an order is an order. I have customers who I can't afford to sack, they have volume and value, so we put them out. Their customer may not like them that much, but doesn't mean I don't deliver a fantastic shirt on time, on price and to amazing quality for them.

2M takes orders from Barnes, might make him a bad customer, doesn't make them a bad supplier. I could create a list of things and go on and on and on about another brands distributor I know, but the reflection is on the distributor, not the manufacturer. I happen to love the man and machine, just a big group has issues with the distributor. But that's two different companies. I could go on and on and on and make some mess, but that's not the point, but I could does not mean I should. Not fair to tarnish the MFG by their agent here.

I don't know anything of Ricks business, I think he runs a great business as nobody talks bad, the fact you say Robert brought stuff up may be his invention, and I wouldn't trust him not to have said it. I feel it's unlikely that 2M would have said anything to him or condone it, it's not his busineness any more than its yours or mine, that's between 2M and Rick which if anything is likely the only two parties who will know. typing hearsay on a forum won't make it real.
All it does is prove is that you are an idiot for still listening and believing Barnes.
You will just get yourself in more trouble doing to 2M what you did unjustly to Rich. They aren't your enemy and they didn't do you wrong like Barnes and Printex did.
Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry that you were ripped off when you were so good to offer them a chance, and you did no wrong to them to get ripped off. I don't have any problem with you trashing the forum about Barnes and Printex, and even that he is representing the Mustang brand created, but 2M is different people who have done no wrong. No I don't know the history, happy for you to open it up, as long as its factually correct and not just speculation, and supposition or leading people to believe something that's not correct. I would protect you and your business and brand or anyone else's from lies and deceit where it is maliciously targeted and not deserved because guilt from action is different than guilt by association. If they fukup then I will hand you the stones to throw, I'll be the first, but until then.....

Easy killer... that doesn't exactly jive with something you just posted:

Unless, you KNOW this is fact... because if it was "speculation" then it's probably "pays not to type it". right?

correct, my apologies. I did say it looks like, and perhaps, but you are correct, it's speculative and implies to a reader something that is not proven to be the truth, but was trying to point out should all just keep to the facts....:eek:

I read what was written... just felt it was "implying" too much without knowing anything... figured I'd do my part to keep us on "the facts". ;)

You forgot you were speculating here as well:

You can't have it both ways dude....

So since Printwizard want to deal with facts, here is exactly how I see the situation in facts:

Robert has been apart of and ruined many deals/companies. Fact.

2M knows that OR is ignorant to it OR arrogant that it wont happen to them. Fact.

2M picked/allowed him to represent them. Fact.

So I think it's safe to say we can all agree on those facts, given that, please tell me how that positively reflects on 2M in ANY way?

The ONLY saving grace there is that they do build a much better machine than the Playtex. But, there are great brands/products that fail all around the world on a regular basis based on poor leadership/sales staff/representation and so on. Add a ocean to that, sprinkle a little RWB drama, and you will certainly end up with something LESS than was possible. Sorry but I directly judge 2M for that. I said all of this about Playtex before they got their wheels spinning here in the US, hell before he had a chance to really mess it up here (RWB), and today I told you so just doesn't fully bring it home.

Hello Printwizard!
Great Post As Always.. I understand your position
RWB dodged the bullet with Rich, not because he
was proven inocent, but IMHO by a LOUSEY LAWER
on Richs side! RWB has however been convicted
in the court of Public Opinion. His sentence is
he has to pay back his victoms, and commit
no other offences. In the future he has to stop
with all the games,tactics ,schills,etc that got him
convicted by the court of Public Opinion in the
first place! I dont know about Printex, their
silence is deffining.Who knows what line of
bullschitt they have been feed? They should
sever their ties with RWB , and Publicly state
their position. As far as 2m, a tough road is
ahead,but not impossible! Unjust for them?
Probably! When bridges of trust are burned,
only time and action will MAYBE restore trust!
Unlike Printex, 2m has the choice and should also
heed obvious warnings. Public Opion usually
thinks "birds of a feather, flock together".
This perception will be 2ms challange! I hope
they handle this right, as they build a nice
machine!
winston

For those who don't know, I tried getting quote of another brand, their agents were asked many times, never got a quote, that was when credit was easier and we had a 30k deposit at the time of asking first , two years later still asking we had maybe $60k and didn't get any pricing. I emailed and rung RPM and likewise never got called back. Recently I got to quote a mustang to a printer here, and the brand quoted against miraculously dropped their price by fifty grand! Then is the stories that came in when I exhibited at a tradeshow recently of service, and wait times. 2 months to get a quote, and six months from deposit to install. Of course there are better stories also, and satisfaction levels, but there is room for me here to represent another brand and competition in theory keeps a market honest. Roberts association will hurt me, but I am going up against other agents who hurt themselves in some cases. Mostly I don't expect to take many sales, but for some I could be a good fit with a good machine that I will stand behind. No, not interested in Roberts Chinese machines, even on consignment. Printex is dead, wouldnt represent them if I could. I doubt they will put right issues they have known about so long and will be restricting themselves to Europe. We will wait and see, be assured if something is not straight with 2M I will post it.