Can't sleep!!!!!!!!!!!

By Screen Printer on Jan. 07, 2012
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11:15 tonight.....I hear a big truck pull into my driveway.

Guess what???????????

My Mustang is here!

He was supposed to arrive at 10 am tomorrow morning....He must have drove straight through.

Now..I have to try to sleep....so I can unload it in the morning.

He came and check out the location...now he is off to get some rest!

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by BlueLogic on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 07:19

Congrats Ted ... Looking forward to doing your install ... Do you know anyone with a camera that could take some pics ;-) LOL

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Submitted by Screen Printer on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:05

My Mustang is here!

Just a few shots...I am not Sara....I was the rigger and worked the pallet jack...hehehehee...did not have much time for the camera.

After meeting the truck driver last night.....we made a plan for 10:00 this morning.

Forklift arrived at 9:00
Truck arrived at 9:30

I was going to operate the forklift, but the truck driver said let an experience man get behind that wheel. He jumped on that seat and unloaded that truck like it was butter. He has 20 years experience operating the forklift.

As we talked I enjoyed his accent. He was from Poland.
It kind of brought back memories from when I was a kid.
My Dad is from Pennsylvania but his Dad was from Poland.
He was an awesome man!

My truck driver was so nice..in fact...I think we were finish unloading by 10:00.

I also want to thank Mark. He worked hard in getting my press assembled...then unassembling and crated and loaded in the truck.

I was worried about making sure my forklift was here on time for delivery.
Mark said....the truck driver will wait with a smile..however long it takes.

He was right!

Thank You guys!

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Submitted by Screen Printer on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:14

By the way!

Hey Robert Barnes...I thought you said I would never get my machine.

Thanks man for always keeping me posted.

Thanks for returning my calls so quickly when you were out of the area.

My install is this week and I will be ready to learn how to screen print.

I just picked up the book...Screen Printing for dummies!

My first job will be 4 color process!

Yeah Man!

I am ready!

Submitted by BlueLogic on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 14:46

Thanks Ted :-) ... it is truly amazing the chain of events that brought us to where we are ... really exciting times for all involved

BTW ... The trip to Poland was an eye opener ... The Mustang MFG vendors have the technology and desire to produce the finest Automatic Screen Printing machines in the world

We will see you next week with a smile on our faces :-D

Submitted by pushing ink on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 16:08

BlueLogic wrote:
Thanks Ted :-) ... it is truly amazing the chain of events that brought us to where we are ... really exciting times for all involved

BTW ... The trip to Poland was an eye opener ... The Mustang MFG vendors have the technology and desire to produce the finest Automatic Screen Printing machines in the world

We will see you next week with a smile on our faces :-D

Robert, What where you in Poland for? Jeff

Submitted by inkman996 on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:09

Jeff did you get your press yet or at least an up date.

And what was the excuse by spider machines for not delivering your press?

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Submitted by Binkspot on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:20

inkman996 wrote:
Jeff did you get your press yet or at least an up date.

And what was the excuse by spider machines for not delivering your press?

I was wondering the same thing?

Owner/Operator of Middletownink

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Submitted by Screen Printer on Sat, 01/07/2012 - 17:53

inkman996 wrote:
Jeff did you get your press yet or at least an up date.

And what was the excuse by spider machines for not delivering your press?

Ok..inkman...go stink someone elses thread up. :D

This one is about my press!

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Submitted by srimonogramming on Wed, 01/11/2012 - 15:49

I talked to Ted this morning and everything is underway. He seemed in great spirits and was very excited that the moment has finally arrived. They hadn't put any air or power to the machine yet but I think they had the printarms on but nothing dialed in or calibrated yet. I am happy for him. Now he needs to hit the ground running and make some damn money.

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Sun, 01/15/2012 - 19:47

Printwizard wrote:
Out of curiosity what is the lead-time to plan for?

It looks like we are gunna be installing (3) Mustang presses in New Zealand huh?

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 00:10

Gilligan wrote:
I honestly didn't know you were trying to say that was Ted's press.

Either way, you could NOT deliver that press as stated by your own words. If you could then Jeff would also have his press at this point.

Those pics don't prove anything about Ted's press... If that IS Ted's press and you COULD have delivered it if Ted still wanted a Printex then why did you say you had to cover the cost of the Mustang for Ted? Why does Printex still have his money and yet he doesn't have a Printex?

Come on man... that just doesn't make sense.

If I'm wrong on any of that it is your OWN fault because that is the story you fed to me while you were here. Luckily for you (and in hindsight, Ted) he would rather have the Mustang over the Printex.

I guess you can't connect the dots to make the elephant ...

Ted's press was installed in August just like Ted said ... not sure why you are connecting dots on Jeff's elephant with Ted's -but- you are the man behind that keyboard ;-) LOL

it is ok ... I know you need to look through those "you made your bed" glasses for a little while longer 8-o

Look ... we certainly had a MAJOR issue with Ted's situation -and- I made sure Ted got what he really wanted (no need for kudos for me please ... I am fine with the self-satisfaction I got from seeing Ted admiring his Mustang before we left) ... we got Ted taken care of -and- that's what really matters !!!

Next is Jeff ... and eventually Inkman ... as for delivery times ... we have fought that battle for awhile -and- it certainly has gotten better -but- we still have a way to go with Printex -and- Mustang in getting shorter lead times !!!

Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 00:54

Dance dance dance.

You wouldn't then and you won't now answer questions directly.

Explain where the money went... step by step.

I'll start the story for you,

Ted decides to buy a Printex with you brokering the deal...

(now, you take from here and explain EVERY step in the process... don't skip any and make sure you keep your eye on the money the whole time.)

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 01:05

Gilligan wrote:
Dance dance dance.

You wouldn't then and you won't now answer questions directly.

Explain where the money went... step by step.

I'll start the story for you,

Ted decides to buy a Printex with you brokering the deal...

(now, you take from here and explain EVERY step in the process... don't skip any and make sure you keep your eye on the money the whole time.)

Maybe this post in a different thread will help you connect the dots ... then ... you can dance with the elephant ;-) LOL

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Come on, agreed the full story is required.. Everything deserves to honestly and openly be addressed to move forward. As well as Jeffs either correct or speculation of a ponzi scheme and that future buyers will loose their deposits, that like allegations to 244 need to be apologized or verified one way or the other. Also what polish issues do we need to be aware of, or what is sorted now thanks to Jeff????? You create more bent questions than simple straight answers, the business needs truth to move forward, not BS!!

RobertWBarnes wrote:
Quote from the movie ... A few good men ... Colonel Nathan R. Jessep ... You can't handle the truth ;-) LOL

Printex Poland had issued invoices to Printex USA for incorrectly elevated amounts (we are told ... an honest billing mistake) -then- Poland applied money to older open invoices (don't ask) ... it has been a bit of a nightmare for WebgURL -plus- there are still some discrepancies :-p

Printex Poland was showing a Balance Due from Printex USA -and- the USA showing Service Related Charge Back Costs (point of friction for both sides)

However ... ya gotta give credit where credit is due ... Jeff was the catalyst to get everyone's attention -and- WebgURL put her foot down to force ALL the bruised egos to come to the resolution table !!!

Hey ... no one wants to admit these kind of internal issues (as they are embarrassing) -but- I gotta say that the Euro -vs- USD -vs- PLN fluctuations didn't help the situation either :-@

Good News though ... we learned a lot in the process -and- thus far haven't had any issues like this with the Mustang :-))

Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 01:37

See Robert... you won't do it.

Guess where this leads everyone? That's right... to assume your hands are dirty.

Guess what... that's because they ARE.

You keep blaming Printex US VS Printex EU and you CLAIM you don't have anything to do with the USA department... but you won't name them and you want say that you don't control them behind the scenes... you just keep saying that you don't have anything on the paper work in your name.

Again... tell the story and don't skip the details.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 02:24

Gilligan wrote:
See Robert... you won't do it.

Guess where this leads everyone? That's right... to assume your hands are dirty.

Guess what... that's because they ARE.

You keep blaming Printex US VS Printex EU and you CLAIM you don't have anything to do with the USA department... but you won't name them and you want say that you don't control them behind the scenes... you just keep saying that you don't have anything on the paper work in your name.

Again... tell the story and don't skip the details.

The machine business is not a Hollywood Studios kind of game ... it is simple ... there were (4) engineers that left Anatol that started Printex UE in (circa 2003) -and- those same (4) guys start Printex USA ... I don't control them at all ... if I did I am sure we would be much further along ... So ... to me it is apparent that you think somehow I have control over:

A. how they produce the machine (I don't)
B. how the costs are tallied (I don't)
C. how the money is allocated (I don't)

What I do have control over is how the:

A. installations are handled
B. service is administered
C. support is given

Someone mentioned a ponzi scheme -but- in order for a ponzi scheme to work you have to have investors ... (There are no investors) ... So ... where is the ponzi scheme ???

Submitted by inkman996 on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 04:39

You are the ponzu Robert. Obviously you are taking money from buyers and not forwarding it to Poland in full right?

Everything you wrote above completely ruined printexs credibility, you basically stated printexs left hand does not know what the right hand is doing and if anyone were to purchase a press there would be no guarantee they would ever receive it.

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 07:36

inkman996 wrote:
You are the ponzu Robert. Obviously you are taking money from buyers and not forwarding it to Poland in full right?

Everything you wrote above completely ruined printexs credibility, you basically stated printexs left hand does not know what the right hand is doing and if anyone were to purchase a press there would be no guarantee they would ever receive it.

Interesting that we all pretty much called this before he even got his wheels spinning over here.

This is yet again a risk buying something from overseas, in the end, they can do whatever the heck they want.....you are at their mercy.

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Submitted by arttex on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 09:32

GraphicDisorder wrote:
This is yet again a risk buying something from overseas, in the end, they can do whatever the heck they want.....you are at their mercy.

No sir, sorry sir, but I can't agree with such a statement. I don't think this situation has anything to do with a fact that "Printex UE" is located overseas. As being someone who is running the company in Europe, I must say we never have had any issues with our partners abroad. Import from China, export to Australia, France, Czech Republic... not a single major issue. But yes, we burned our fingers few times doing business with a companies from our own country. The point is: You can be double crossed by your first neighbor, but have years of good business relationship with a company from China. Statements like this are making any overseas based company looks like a scam for potential US customers and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

Take care and best regards from overseas

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 10:51

arttex wrote:
No sir, sorry sir, but I can't agree with such a statement. I don't think this situation has anything to do with a fact that "Printex UE" is located overseas. As being someone who is running the company in Europe, I must say we never have had any issues with our partners abroad. Import from China, export to Australia, France, Czech Republic... not a single major issue. But yes, we burned our fingers few times doing business with a companies from our own country. The point is: You can be double crossed by your first neighbor, but have years of good business relationship with a company from China. Statements like this are making any overseas based company looks like a scam for potential US customers and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

Take care and best regards from overseas

Note: Just because Printex had some billing/communication issues between Poland/USA ... that doesn't incorporate into some ponzi scheme -but- it does equate to an issue of needed internal resolution <--- which has been addressed during our recent visit to Poland ... is it perfect ??? NOT yet ... is it a thousand times better YES !!!

The only smoking gun here is that Ted's machine was grossly delayed (we just installed a Mustang instead "problem solved") ... Inkman still can't print 20" -and- Jeff is in the 11th hour of negotiating a resolution with Andrew

funny thing is ... if RWB was controlling everything then why would Andrew have to be involved in resolving Jeff's situation ... let me guess ... cuz RWB is not allowed in Jeff's shop :-p LOL

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:00

arttex wrote:
No sir, sorry sir, but I can't agree with such a statement. I don't think this situation has anything to do with a fact that "Printex UE" is located overseas. As being someone who is running the company in Europe, I must say we never have had any issues with our partners abroad. Import from China, export to Australia, France, Czech Republic... not a single major issue. But yes, we burned our fingers few times doing business with a companies from our own country. The point is: You can be double crossed by your first neighbor, but have years of good business relationship with a company from China. Statements like this are making any overseas based company looks like a scam for potential US customers and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

Take care and best regards from overseas

Statements like this are made because there are a lot of scams overseas. Ever hear of Nigeria and its massive link to scamming people in the US?

The bottom line is that a ocean can make the deal complicated.... do we really need to start citing examples of this? Say nothing for how laws effect deals from one country or another. Many shops wouldn't have the money to take on a deal gone wrong a ocean away. That's the facts.

But lets dig deeper, you are saying this situation has nothing to do Printex UE, then there is only one other person/company it could be that caused all of this. So you are basically blaming Robert, is that what your saying?

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Submitted by arttex on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:44

GraphicDisorder wrote:
Statements like this are made because there are a lot of scams overseas. Ever hear of Nigeria and its massive link to scamming people in the US?

The bottom line is that a ocean can make the deal complicated.... do we really need to start citing examples of this? Say nothing for how laws effect deals from one country or another. Many shops wouldn't have the money to take on a deal gone wrong a ocean away. That's the facts.

But lets dig deeper, you are saying this situation has nothing to do Printex UE, then there is only one other person/company it could be that caused all of this. So you are basically blaming Robert, is that what your saying?

There is a little difference between Nigeria and one European Union country like Poland, but OK, there are no scams in US, all scams, fraud and crooks are located overseas.

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:53

arttex wrote:
There is a little difference between Nigeria and one European Union country like Poland, but OK, there are no scams in US, all scams, fraud and crooks are located overseas.

I never suggested that at all. But when I get scammed in the USA (never have been), its not a 1-2-3k plane ticket away, in a strange country, and a possible language barrier either.....

You are not really suggesting doing business with a overseas company is SAFER or EASIER than it is with a US company are you? We need only look at deals that's happened here on DS to see that you'd be full of it if that was your opinion.

I mean look directly at Jeff's deal, the man paid in full for 3 presses, has only two, and is being told he owes more money to get them. Right? You call that a straight deal? Seriously?

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Submitted by arttex on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:23

GraphicDisorder wrote:
I never suggested that at all. But when I get scammed in the USA (never have been), its not a 1-2-3k plane ticket away, in a strange country, and a possible language barrier either.....

You are not really suggesting doing business with a overseas company is SAFER or EASIER than it is with a US company are you? We need only look at deals that's happened here on DS to see that you'd be full of it if that was your opinion.

I mean look directly at Jeff's deal, the man paid in full for 3 presses, has only two, and is being told he owes more money to get them. Right? You call that a straight deal? Seriously?

I wouldn't call that a straight deal, of course. Does he have valid and signed contract stating amount he should pay and equipment he should get?

Submitted by pushing ink on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:31

arttex wrote:
I wouldn't call that a straight deal, of course. Does he have valid and signed contract stating amount he should pay and equipment he should get?

yep!

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:35

pushing ink wrote:
yep!

Jeff ... How have you liked your conversations with Andrew ... have you guys reached an agreement ??? Will your new building have additional Printex presses outside of the 16 color you are waiting on ???

Submitted by Printwizard on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 13:05

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I never suggested that at all. But when I get scammed in the USA (never have been), its not a 1-2-3k plane ticket away, in a strange country, and a possible language barrier either.....

You are not really suggesting doing business with a overseas company is SAFER or EASIER than it is with a US company are you? We need only look at deals that's happened here on DS to see that you'd be full of it if that was your opinion.

I mean look directly at Jeff's deal, the man paid in full for 3 presses, has only two, and is being told he owes more money to get them. Right? You call that a straight deal? Seriously?

@ Brandt, we do IMT import transactions every week, mostly with Asia, some EU and some US. To us the Asian and EU deals are easier and less risk. the
US companies stand behind lawyers, trusts, holding companies, and are easier for them to walk away and go to litigation. Don't diss the Poles, they are awesome manufacturers which is why MnR and many others are there. In saying that every company is different just like here in NZ, or there in the US. Don't judge all as the same, and even more don't compare Poland with Nigeria, that's crazy. I suggest you email Andrew and ask him if the problem was a Polish one or an American one......:eek:

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 13:29

Printwizard wrote:
@ Brandt, we do IMT import transactions every week, mostly with Asia, some EU and some US. To us the Asian and EU deals are easier and less risk. the
US companies stand behind lawyers, trusts, holding companies, and are easier for them to walk away and go to litigation. Don't diss the Poles, they are awesome manufacturers which is why MnR and many others are there. In saying that every company is different just like here in NZ, or there in the US. Don't judge all as the same, and even more don't compare Poland with Nigeria, that's crazy. I suggest you email Andrew and ask him if the problem was a Polish one or an American one......:eek:

Totally agree ... But let's take it a step further ... We should ask Andrew to start posting on the forums ... Maybe after a few days a people tearing him to shreds would go a long way in getting Printex back on tract here in the USA ... everyone send Andrew an email inviting him to join SPOF -and- DigitSmith !!!

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:04

Printwizard wrote:
@ Brandt, we do IMT import transactions every week, mostly with Asia, some EU and some US. To us the Asian and EU deals are easier and less risk. the
US companies stand behind lawyers, trusts, holding companies, and are easier for them to walk away and go to litigation. Don't diss the Poles, they are awesome manufacturers which is why MnR and many others are there. In saying that every company is different just like here in NZ, or there in the US. Don't judge all as the same, and even more don't compare Poland with Nigeria, that's crazy. I suggest you email Andrew and ask him if the problem was a Polish one or an American one......:eek:

I haven't said anything about manufacturing at all. The product they build has problems, but solvable ones. The actual way they are doing business though has a lot bigger problems. Now you can blame that on Printex USA if you like, but who put in place Printex USA? Printex UE right? Follow the trail, it leads to a end...who is there? They are responsible in the end.

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Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:09

arttex wrote:
There is a little difference between Nigeria and one European Union country like Poland, but OK, there are no scams in US, all scams, fraud and crooks are located overseas.

Here is a Question you could ponder ... if M&R produced all it's machines in the Poland plant and shut down it's USA MFG should everyone then only buy from Workhorse ???

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:21

While we are speculating over **** that will never happen, let's consider what happens if a elephant stands on his snout, or maybe if you drive a car backwards long enough will you travel back into time....**** lets talk about what happens if you pull your head out of your ***. These things will never happen.....so why bother speculating.

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Submitted by pushing ink on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:23

RobertWBarnes wrote:
Here is a Question you could ponder ... if M&R produced all it's machines in the Poland plant and shut down it's USA MFG should everyone then only buy from Workhorse ???

Why must you always throw in M&R, are there other companies that scare you. All we here from you Is M&R, 244, Rich., Get your own game on and stop trying to associate your failure and misfortunes on anyone except YOU!

I think if M&R was gone you still would have the same problems you have now!

Submitted by inkman996 on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:24

RobertWBarnes wrote:
Here is a Question you could ponder ... if M&R produced all it's machines in the Poland plant and shut down it's USA MFG should everyone then only buy from Workhorse ???

People would still feel just as confident buying from m&r poland you know why? Well you can guess lol.

Embroiders still prefer barudan and tax and yet not one of those machines is made in the us.

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:45

arttex wrote:
There is a little difference between Nigeria and one European Union country like Poland, but OK, there are no scams in US, all scams, fraud and crooks are located overseas.

Here is a Printex customers post in reference to getting help from his overseas press manufacture.

http://www.digitsmith.com/alan-why-did-you-delete-3-31232.html#post111551

Mind blowing. I could email dozens of people at my press manufacture and get replies today....he was ignored. What would you have him do now, hop a plan? Do you understand now my point that a ocean apart brings possible complications to a deal.....

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Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:11

Again Robert... you have not gone through Ted's deal step by step.

Point A (Ted deciding on Printex) to Point Z (Ted gets his Mustang delivered).

The truth shall set you free Robert.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:13

Gilligan wrote:
Again Robert... you have not gone through Ted's deal step by step.

Point A (Ted deciding on Printex) to Point Z (Ted gets his Mustang delivered).

The truth shall set you free Robert.

Ted -and- RWB just had a phone call -and- we both were laughing like school girls over the conspiracy theories ... as an example to keep the numbers simple ... Ted bought a $50k machine -and- because of the Printex issues Ted got a $75k machine instead

Note: Ted bought almost ALL WebgURL -and- Spiderman's meals during the install <--- someone needs to look into this ASAP !!!

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Submitted by GraphicDisorder on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:27

It did take forever that's for sure, he ordered before I ordered mine I think. I have had my press 11 months right now, he just got his.

Do you know how much money you can make and how many shirts you can print in almost 1 year? I don't even turn my press on some weeks and I did 6 figures in business on it.....

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Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:25

GraphicDisorder wrote:
It did take forever that's for sure, he ordered before I ordered mine I think. I have had my press 11 months right now, he just got his.

Do you know how much money you can make and how many shirts you can print in almost 1 year? I don't even turn my press on some weeks and I did 6 figures in business on it.....

Even Robert admitted to this during the install when I brought it up.

Not much savings when you lose the 6 figure potential.

Did you get an instruction manual with your press?

Robert, you can laugh all you want, it doesn't answer the simple questions... and you certainly haven't got any closer with that extremely vague example of the extreme basics of point a and z... we wanted the in between bits.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by inkman996 on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:21

Why the f do you keep saying Jeff and andrew are negotiating? Last I heard Jeff signed a contract and paid in full, is printex not admit tingly not honoring this contract?

And I cannot believe for one second Robert you are supposedly standing on the out side during all this and have zero reason for anything going on. We all know you spend other companies money and promise customers ridiculous deals surely you are the root cause for Poland struggling. Amazingly printex would have actually been successful with the right person at the helm in the USA yet now I do not see printex have any chance recovering from this.

Submitted by RobertWBarnes on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:30

My thought is this ... RWB ruffled your feathers -and- hurt y'alls feelings so when RWB shows up here the fish franticly swim around the tank ... let's focus on Printex -and- why companies should buy their product ... what features are available on Printex machines that are beneficial to screen printers ... starting with you Inkman ... I think I will create a post ... What do you like about your Printex ???

Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:36

Just answer the question Robert... A to Z... no need to back peddle now, or since you were just in Louisiana we call it "crawfishing"... no need to crawfish now.

For those not familiar, a crawfish is a mud bug that when scared quickly swims backwards to get away from whatever it is confronted with.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by inkman996 on Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:39

Robert you know what I hate about the printex you and Poland. Poland turned a blind eye to me and our business when we wanted you out of our lives. The company can not be trusted nor does it have any decent track record for delivering what was promised.

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