Excited to get my first Auto...any tips?

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So our first auto will be in, in about 2 weeks, thanks to Jason Rodriguez at Southern Screen Inkstitute. I've known Jason now for 3 years (started with a trip to a show shop in ATL and free VIP passes to SGIA), and this guy does a great job at doing what it takes to make customers happy. When I called him because I was ****ed about how much ink my Epson 1400 drank up after 1 run with the standard cartridges, he had a continuous ink system sent to me asap. I've loved it ever since.

Anywho, just a quick plug for a good guy. So I'm getting a used Javelin. Any tips on this particular press as far as little tricks of the trade or general knowledge of how it works would be helpful, as I have never run an auto. We did $300K worth of shirts last year on a 6/6 chameleon and it's finally time to step it up!

ALSO, I have been talking with a guy that has some screens for sale so I can have some ready in 2 weeks, but UPS wants $172 to ship them from CA. 12 screens, no thank you! He was asking $22 each. If anyone has any Newman rollers I can "have" or they want to "sell" let me know:)

Varsity Ink
serving the Statesboro, Milledgeville, and Savannah, GA areas t-shirt and promotional items needs

"Passionate about Printing"

www.varsityinkonline.com

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inkman996 wrote:
Of course it does but the switch only works when the dummy plug has been used. It is impossible to table up with the flash extended unless the owner some how altered the way the machine is set up.

Plain and simple you can hit the table up or down switch all day long and nothing will change till you perform the correct actions with the dummy plug.

I’m not sure how the terminator plug is being used in your scenario? If you put the flash in the flash table up mode, with the flash in the lowered position (wouldn’t be done on purpose) and table up the press manually the flash will extend and crash into the pallet, as long as you don’t table down it may not do any major damage... If this happens in auto mode the table will likely drop on top of the extended flash, and can cause serious damage... This is why so many shops tape over this switch, so less experienced employees don’t make that mistake. Hell I even did that once on an install... Felt like a dumb A$$ lol, but luckily didn’t cause any real damage.

Brannon Mullins
Spot Color Supply
770-329-8243
51 Aiken St
Cartersville, GA 30120
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sales@spotcolorsupply.com

don't schedule jobs right away for your auto. It's a completely different world, and takes a little bit of time to get used to.

Everything from setting up your films on your screens to actually getting used to print pressure and stuff like that, def. takes a good chunk of time.

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inkman996 wrote:
Wow I am shocked I must have the only Jav in the country that does not do this. There is simply no way on gods earth to extend my flash into the tables unless you follow the directions in the manual on how to fool the press first, and this is with the table switch in either position.

What year is yours? That may have been changed after your press was made?? Not sure, just a guess.

Brannon Mullins
Spot Color Supply
770-329-8243
51 Aiken St
Cartersville, GA 30120
spotcolorsupply.com
sales@spotcolorsupply.com

i agree 100% with kid dynamite above! auto printing is completely different than manual! we didn't think there would be much of a difference either. we tried to do a couple of jobs that we had done on our manual on our new auto and found ourselves scratching our heads! definently spend a little time learning angles, squeegee pressure and even print/flood speeds. key to success on an auto is very minimal off contact and tight screens. this will allow you to use minimal pressure which will allow you to leave your ink on top of your garment and not bury it into the fabric like a lot of printers do!

you will also probably want to do your seps a little differnent as on most jobs for you auto you are going to do a bottom and top white to speed up prininting. this will allow you to pull your shirts after one cycle instead of cycling the press twice.

do this and you should be printing great quality in no time on your new auto!

Damon McCrystal

DC Apparel, Inc.
3260 Dundee Road
Winter Haven, FL 33884
(863) 325-9273

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Congrats!! I have always liked Tuf machines.

Remember the Flash Back requires a 4 wire conductor (2 hot, 1 Neutral, 1 Ground), and a 3/4" air line is recommended to the machine (a couple of tid-bits, may help :) ). If you need someone to install the machine I would be happy to help you out. I was originally trained by Tuf and have the appropriate registration tool for your machine.

Brannon Mullins
Spot Color Supply
770-329-8243
51 Aiken St
Cartersville, GA 30120
spotcolorsupply.com
sales@spotcolorsupply.com

IMRAN wrote:
its not servo or not a/c head . Its piece of **** . My advice dont buy.

dude... i wouldn't quite go as far as to say it is a piece of ****. like inkman said... this industry was built on pneumatic machines. i've seen pneumatic machines with well over 3 million impressions that still run fine and have no registration problems. servo is definently better but not a must. the 6,8 and 10 color machines are definently fine with air. i would recommend going servo on a bigger 14 or 16 color machine. they seem to struggle with air indexers! smaller machines... your good all day long with pneumatic!

Damon McCrystal

DC Apparel, Inc.
3260 Dundee Road
Winter Haven, FL 33884
(863) 325-9273

www.dcapparelinc.com

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well, just got finished installing the 3-phase power for the dryer, and pouring a concrete slab for the air compressor which will be here tomorrow, now we're just waiting on the press to get here! I'm exhausted...

Varsity Ink
serving the Statesboro, Milledgeville, and Savannah, GA areas t-shirt and promotional items needs

"Passionate about Printing"

www.varsityinkonline.com

www.5kshirts.com

Wow, I just logged on. Things have been busy today I see. Well just letting ya know we are in MI. doing a delivery and set up on a 2009 Freedom 6/8 with one flash, compressor/chiller. I'll post the set up pics tomorrow. Let's see that's 5 freedoms/Javelins this month we've sold and installed. I will have my other customers chime in on how the registrations working out for them. Thanks InkMan, Big E, Robert, Chuckie and Brannon for answering some great questions that Daniel needed answered. I can't leave out Siegy again, thanks for being my #1 salesman. Keep them coming.

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There is a tool specifically made to register (align) the index bearings. All of the index bearings on a press have to be the same distance apart (within 1 or 2 thousandths of an inch) for the press to function properly. If they are out, a common symptom is having left to right registration issues on certain pallets. So... for example, you set up on pallet 1..... Pallet 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 may register great, but 3, 5, 7, and 8 end up not registering left to right. I would definitely recommend getting a press registered after it has been broken down and moved!

This is what the tool looks like:

Brannon Mullins
Spot Color Supply
770-329-8243
51 Aiken St
Cartersville, GA 30120
spotcolorsupply.com
sales@spotcolorsupply.com

inkman996 wrote:
Yea you sound like you know what you are talking about. Thisindustry was built on the backs of all air machines get real.

I have 10/12 challenger 1992 all air and also i have 2009 schenk 10/12 servo. I know what i am talking .

eetherman wrote:
Big words from someone that does'nt even own one.

I have 10/12 challenger 1992 all air and also 10/12 schenk all servo. I know the difference. of air and servo.

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inkman996 wrote:
In this case I would not worry about it, our bearings are registered perfectly and I do not see how on tear down anything will effect it. In fact this machine has been torn down and moved three times and it never lost bearing registration. Of course if for some reason Jason decides to hit every pot hole to GA or drive drunk all the way I am sure he has the correct tools and skills to register the bearings.

May be the case, just a suggestion :).

Brannon Mullins
Spot Color Supply
770-329-8243
51 Aiken St
Cartersville, GA 30120
spotcolorsupply.com
sales@spotcolorsupply.com

Robert, don't get your spidey man underoo's in a wad. I received funding from Geneva on Friday while setting up another press & you visiting a new manufacturer in china. The banks are closed today because of Presidents Day. You will have your money tomorrow.

spotcolorsupply wrote:
May be the case, just a suggestion :).

This is one that will screw your day up. And it is going to happen.
Printing on a really sticky platten without a shirt being there. It will rip the emusion right off the mesh.

Soooo..that is way awsome that you got an Auto-!! Just got done installing a Workhorse over the weekend and yes..the main thing i found is to make sure you remember righty tighty lefty loosy...and if you cant be good...try and be good at it...also i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night where i saved 15% by switching to Geiko...sooo ya! Enjoy your press..Im sure when tha 3 Amigos are around, we will stop by and say howdy!!! -NickJames

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Today we are booking it. Most likely into Bradley. I'll let you know. Also, do you want that Amergraph 150 exposure unit. My guys are getting the rest of the shop and thought they could crate it up & ship it to you. Let me know.

Jason

Make sure your shirts are on correct and if you have one missprinted shirt come around to the unload station you can just bet theres 6 more like it where ever the mistake may have happen. Allways preheat your pallets and run a scrap Tee around first to get the ink flowing.