Fraud Warning!! on New Press

By pushing ink on Feb. 10, 2012
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Screen Printing

When buy a new press, be sure that when you are going to sign a contract from a company that you also get a signed personal guaranty for the seller! Also find out how many presses they have sold in the last year and how many techs they have in the field. Check into the ownership of the names on the contract to do a search of WHO really owns the company. Visit the mfgr and make calls to other machine owners.

If someone has more to add, please do. I would like to write a one sheet check list on what to look for and avoid. We want to send this out to 1000's of screen printing companies on what to stay clear of.

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United States
Submitted by repogolfer on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:48

1. Don't be an idiot in the first place and drop that kind of coin on a press that has not proven itself.
2. Look at the character or (characters) of the person your buying from...
3. Do not pay in full until the item is delivered.

Extra credit for Iowa:

Take some of the blame yourself for being a cheap *** looking for the best deal and not worrying about the consequences ahead of time.

Why again did you have a lawyer look over this contract ahead of time???? What did that do for you?? Take action???

Submitted by 244 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:00

I try to stay clear of everything that is being bantered back and forward but some of this has merit. I will try and get a check list(non biased) that people can use to verify they want to do business with someone when it comes to capitol equipment and post it up here, The shirtboard, and on our forum. For the first time or unknowing buyer a form of this type may save a lot of grief (and money) in the future. Post other suggestions and I will have someone work on it.

Submitted by jmd on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:18

244 wrote:
I try to stay clear of everything that is being bantered back and forward but some of this has merit. I will try and get a check list(non biased) that people can use to verify they want to do business with someone when it comes to capitol equipment and post it up here, The shirtboard, and on our forum. For the first time or unknowing buyer a form of this type may save a lot of grief (and money) in the future. Post other suggestions and I will have someone work on it.

Thank you very much

Submitted by Printwizard on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 05:32

244 wrote:
I try to stay clear of everything that is being bantered back and forward but some of this has merit. I will try and get a check list(non biased) that people can use to verify they want to do business with someone when it comes to capitol equipment and post it up here, The shirtboard, and on our forum. For the first time or unknowing buyer a form of this type may save a lot of grief (and money) in the future. Post other suggestions and I will have someone work on it.

Rich, this being a second hand forum, could you and the others on here also recommend or add to the checklist about also buying secondhand machines, because there appears to be several issues from different brokers, not just one. Also with private sales.

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Submitted by srimonogramming on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:07

Reputation, reputation, reputation.

The manufacturer's rep, the specific machine's rep, the dealer/broker's rep, service after the sale rep, the individual sales person's rep, etc. Reputation!!!

Now I know that reputations ebb and flow over the years and a company that once had a bad rep can now be completely different, so take that into account. Not so much a "what have you done for me lately" attitude, but weigh current and past, not just one or the other.

I would also like to say that a company's reputation from their peers should be looked at as well. I know that they are competitors and they fight against each other for sales but for the most part, company A will tell you that company B is a solid group of people or they'll throw them under the bus at the drop of a hat, so this piece of advice is to be handled very carefully and will be hard to nail down the actual facts of the matter, but it's possible. If M&R tells you that RPM is a good competitor and they respect each other, then you can bet that their opinion is the truth. Negative comments should be put under more scrutiny and checked more closely than positive comments.

Submitted by inkman996 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:12

I think it is a big concern to verify who the in state seller is if they are buying a brand from out of state. Right now no one even knows who owns PrintexUSA, and as seen by Jeff when the left hand steals the money the right hand claims no responsibility, so you then are out of luck.

Shipping time is very important, dont just go by what the seller tells you. call and talk to previous buyers, if their is wide swings in shipping times that there tells you there is a consistency issue with the manufacturer. Big red flag!

Submitted by autowanted on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:53

pushing ink wrote:
When buy a new press, be sure that when you are going to sign a contract from a company that you also get a signed personal guaranty for the seller! Also find out how many presses they have sold in the last year and how many techs they have in the field. Check into the ownership of the names on the contract to do a search of WHO really owns the company. Visit the mfgr and make calls to other machine owners.

If someone has more to add, please do. I would like to write a one sheet check list on what to look for and avoid. We want to send this out to 1000's of screen printing companies on what to stay clear of.

Have you had a bad experience?

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Submitted by Evo on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:50

I'll toss this in:

Call/visit local shops and ask to see their machines. Most good shops will have no problem showing you their setup (in fact many love to brag). This is a great way to get first-hand reviews of machines, the service and the longevity. (it's also a great way to see the WRONG way to set up a shop, but that's a topic for a whole other thread...)

Don't go in poking around and asking questions about their actual business though, some people get touchy.

Also, if you are making a major press purchase for a high coin machine, spend a little money and go to a trade show. Bring your main shop floor person too if you can afford the time. Nothing educates you more about the machines than putting your hands on them and watching them spin. (and you can go laugh at the bad shirts and haircuts at the Ryonet booth...)

Submitted by Icon_714 on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:21

Evo wrote:
I'll toss this in:

Call/visit local shops and ask to see their machines. Most good shops will have no problem showing you their setup (in fact many love to brag). This is a great way to get first-hand reviews of machines, the service and the longevity. (it's also a great way to see the WRONG way to set up a shop, but that's a topic for a whole other thread...)

Don't go in poking around and asking questions about their actual business though, some people get touchy.

Also, if you are making a major press purchase for a high coin machine, spend a little money and go to a trade show. Bring your main shop floor person too if you can afford the time. Nothing educates you more about the machines than putting your hands on them and watching them spin. (and you can go laugh at the bad shirts and haircuts at the Ryonet booth...)

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