Nice youtube vid

By crazy mike on Jul. 24, 2011
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This my enlighten some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8oqiQ98b4

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Submitted by pwalsh on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:39

Printwizard wrote:
He repeats himself a lot...

But we do know a lot more about the Western Hemisphere :D

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Submitted by Ink Guy on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 00:47

pwalsh wrote:
But we do know a lot more about the Western Hemisphere :D

After watching it over again, I think he did well especially with the language difference.

Robert is smarter than you think.

The Geography lesson was used to describe his territory.

Planting the seed!

He is selling himself to them.

I originally gave him a B- for the interview.

I may up that to a B+

Submitted by Ink Guy on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 01:06

Now to be fair to everyone here.

I think Robert has a good product line.

I know M&R has a good product line.

If they could compete on customer service instead of having dog matches, we would all win.

I don't agree with many of his tactics here.

For instance, M&R post something about their product, I don't think Robert should post in their thread.

If he wants to compare, start another thread and compare side by side.

I don't like when M&R post an image of their press and Barnes post who is Robert Barnes in the same thread.

If he could learn to have internet manners, everyone would win.

On the other hand, sometimes M&R owners do the same.

Submitted by 244 on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:45

Printwizard wrote:
He repeats himself a lot...
Stating here in the States we produce tremendous amounts of textiles is completely wrong. Ask anyone who used to work in the textile mills of this country their opinion about that statement!
Submitted by Ink Guy on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:25

244 wrote:
Stating here in the States we produce tremendous amounts of textiles is completely wrong. Ask anyone who used to work in the textile mills of this country their opinion about that statement!

right and wrong.

For example Fruit of the loom....still American owned...producing a tremendous amount of textiles...just in different countries, to bring to the US.

I would give you both 50-50

Submitted by Gilligan on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:38

Ink Guy wrote:
right and wrong.

For example Fruit of the loom....still American owned...producing a tremendous amount of textiles...just in different countries, to bring to the US.

I would give you both 50-50

That is NOT produced in the States... You can have a corporate office in a country and produce all your product in another country that doesn't make you really an american company.

They can try and spin it all they want... but come to my town and tell that to all the AMERICAN workers that used to work for Fruit of the Looms before NAFTA!

Good jobs gone! And guess what, our shirts are MORE expensive now.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by Ink Guy on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:51

Gilligan wrote:
Good jobs gone! And guess what, our shirts are MORE expensive now.

To be honest, it is not just the textile industry.

6 months ago I went to Sam's Club. I walked around the whole store trying to find something Made in the US. I was really pi$$ed off.

If China quit shipping to us tomorrow, our store's shelves would be completely empty in 3 days.

What is America?
Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet?

Not any more.

I think the only thing Made in the US is M&R Equipment.

Submitted by 244 on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:27

Ink Guy wrote:
To be honest, it is not just the textile industry.

6 months ago I went to Sam's Club. I walked around the whole store trying to find something Made in the US. I was really pi$$ed off.

If China quit shipping to us tomorrow, our store's shelves would be completely empty in 3 days.

What is America?
Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet?

Not any more.

I think the only thing Made in the US is M&R Equipment.

and its going to stay that way. We have a plant in Europe that builds metric for the countries that are on the metric system but what we sell here is built here.
Submitted by Gilligan on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 19:34

Ink Guy wrote:
To be honest, it is not just the textile industry.

6 months ago I went to Sam's Club. I walked around the whole store trying to find something Made in the US. I was really pi$$ed off.

If China quit shipping to us tomorrow, our store's shelves would be completely empty in 3 days.

What is America?
Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet?

Not any more.

I think the only thing Made in the US is M&R Equipment.

Agreed... I do everything I can to not buy from conglomerates.

It's hard. But I haven't been to Walmart/Sam's in like 5 or 6 years.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by Ink Guy on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 21:34

Gilligan wrote:
Agreed... I do everything I can to not buy from conglomerates.

It's hard. But I haven't been to Walmart/Sam's in like 5 or 6 years.

Sam's and Walmart is not total fault....It is our government for allowing this to happen.

If you want Weider workout equipment, it doesn't matter if you buy it at Walmart, Sam's, Academy or direct from Weider, They are all made in China.

It is not Walmart's fault. They might of encouraged it at the beginning, but our government allowed it.

Clinton and Bush allowed it. Obama don't know what to do about it.

We need a president that can control the house and senate to bring our industry back home.

To get our factories back home, we need tax benefits.

Lower taxes to bring businesses back home. Then once we have many home, raise the taxes for businesses away.

At the moment, China has us by the Balls.

Submitted by Printwizard on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 03:11

Ink Guy wrote:
Sam's and Walmart is not total fault....It is our government for allowing this to happen.

If you want Weider workout equipment, it doesn't matter if you buy it at Walmart, Sam's, Academy or direct from Weider, They are all made in China.

It is not Walmart's fault. They might of encouraged it at the beginning, but our government allowed it.

Clinton and Bush allowed it. Obama don't know what to do about it.

We need a president that can control the house and senate to bring our industry back home.

To get our factories back home, we need tax benefits.

Lower taxes to bring businesses back home. Then once we have many home, raise the taxes for businesses away.

At the moment, China has us by the Balls.

This won't happen with globalization, only protectionism which is stepping backwards. America needs to get more with the modern economies and policies of the world and adapt and evolve it's economy to compete where it does best. Low skill cheap labour jobs will shift to emerging economies, and as they create wealth they will shift again. America needs to compete with technology, innovation, capital goods, developing new technology. The thought of competing with menial low tech, high labour jobs is obsolete. The future is education. America also needs to lower it's trade barriers, let other countries sell openly and easily food, textiles and simple products. If the tariff and quota system was abolished you will see jobs go, but you would also have other countries drop their trade barriers accordingly, and this will open new opportunities.
Every economy has it's day. Right since the ancient roman times. Japan reached it's mass, and Taiwan, and so is China, where manufacturing is already moving toward Bangladesh and Vietnam.

The bigger concern is not necessarily Asia, but the debt of Europe and USA. The books need to be balanced. If every country floated their currencies in neutral reserve banks that couldn't be controlled as much and were more independent of their governments you would also see massive rebalancing in trade as the Yuan appreciated and the Euro and USD depreciated amongst others.

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Submitted by screenmachines on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:00

I guess he did ok, but what caught my attention more then anything was what he said. For example he kept repeating he was amazed at the technology put into the machines. The same technology he has been bashing M&R and other competitors about for months and months. Seems he thinks its good technology after all. Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this?

"Keep the the ink moving and you make money..."

Submitted by Ink Guy on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:29

screenmachines wrote:
I guess he did ok, but what caught my attention more then anything was what he said. For example he kept repeating he was amazed at the technology put into the machines. The same technology he has been bashing M&R and other competitors about for months and months. Seems he thinks its good technology after all. Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this?

I don't remember him saying M&R was not good. He referred to their digital displays to being the basic....and the switches were old school.

That doesn't mean it doesn't work good.

Today is all about technology, why do you think computers come out with new models every year?

Old Chevy muscle cars are still awesome though.

His selling feature is new, innovative, digital displays, while M&R is Old school but proven.

So, both machines can be good to the right person.

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Submitted by screenmachines on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:00

Ink Guy wrote:
I don't remember him saying M&R was not good. He referred to their digital displays to being the basic....and the switches were old school.

That doesn't mean it doesn't work good.

Today is all about technology, why do you think computers come out with new models every year?

Old Chevy muscle cars are still awesome though.

His selling feature is new, innovative, digital displays, while M&R is Old school but proven.

So, both machines can be good to the right person.

I never said he said it was bad, please read it again. He knocked them for their lack of new technology. Now go look at the video and notice the machine has the same LACK OF TECHNOLOGY he ranted about, but yet kept saying he was impressed with the technology in the machines. You can SPIN those facts anyway you want.

"Keep the the ink moving and you make money..."

Submitted by Printwizard on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 06:18

screenmachines wrote:
I never said he said it was bad, please read it again. He knocked them for their lack of new technology. Now go look at the video and notice the machine has the same LACK OF TECHNOLOGY he ranted about, but yet kept saying he was impressed with the technology in the machines. You can SPIN those facts anyway you want.

I think he may have meant the Chinese did not replicate identically, but added, intpreted and updated, solaced problems, modernized, improved upon updated from the model they based e design upon. To a point he was probably also being polite to the factory and TV and his hosts also, feel good factor.....
Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:21

Printwizard wrote:

The bigger concern is not necessarily Asia, but the debt of Europe and USA. The books need to be balanced. If every country floated their currencies in neutral reserve banks that couldn't be controlled as much and were more independent of their governments you would also see massive rebalancing in trade as the Yuan appreciated and the Euro and USD depreciated amongst others.

I agree with that completely.

I don't really agree with the first part of your post though. As it is right now, our number one export is TRASH... that's right garbage.

Granted, the "cost of living" may increase if we tighten down the borders and get rid of this freetrade... but at least we will have jobs and income. I personally think the funds are just being placed in the wrong places. If we balance things out and EDUCATE people on how to spend (save) money and not live beyond their means then it will get better. It will take time but it will get better.

We are an economy based on consumption... problem is we don't produce any longer, we just consume. That is shifting the money away from most of the people and only into the hands of those controlling things. Our population is too large for that sort of mentality.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by Printwizard on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 06:14

Gilligan wrote:
I agree with that completely.

I don't really agree with the first part of your post though. As it is right now, our number one export is TRASH... that's right garbage.

Granted, the "cost of living" may increase if we tighten down the borders and get rid of this freetrade... but at least we will have jobs and income. I personally think the funds are just being placed in the wrong places. If we balance things out and EDUCATE people on how to spend (save) money and not live beyond their means then it will get better. It will take time but it will get better.

We are an economy based on consumption... problem is we don't produce any longer, we just consume. That is shifting the money away from most of the people and only into the hands of those controlling things. Our population is too large for that sort of mentality.

gilligan, we have the lowest tariffs of any country and probably more free trade agreements than most, including the only one with Hk and China. It's actually great. No future subsidizing production of products you cant compete in. Sure we lost our car manufacturing, but we buy them cheaper than we could ever make them for. You just find different niches.

Submitted by Ink Guy on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:31

Printwizard wrote:
He repeats himself a lot...

Obviously he is not a professional speaker.

Sometimes it is difficult to answer questions on the spot.

You are thinking he is continuing from one question.

The video is cut.

They ask a question and he answers, so that may be why there is repeated answers.

I would give him a B- for the interview.

Submitted by musterdbom on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 22:07

Yeah pretty good on the fly answers utilizing basic english words for translation into Chinese! Summed it up nicely.

Submitted by Gilligan on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 02:51

With you 100% Ink Guy!

My main beef with Walmart is that they are the biggest drivers in the consumer goods market. They LITERALLY dictate to the manufacture that they NEED to go to China to produce the goods for them and that they won't pay more than X for them.

The vendor this HAS to go to China to cut cost to be able to profit and continue to sell to Walmart.

It's very sad, around here we have lots of crawfish farming (Ted's hometown has a LARGE festival every year about it.) You have 80% (I'm probably being conservative) of people around here that refuse to buy "chinese" crawfish because it hits so close to home and they know what it does. Yet they will be at Walmart making this decision not to buy Chinese crawfish. *sigh*

The main thing that not buying at Walmart helps with is my local economy. We have a small to medium grocery store. They have 3 check out lines with someone manning each one at almost all times. Go to walmart and they have the same 3 people working... but they have 10 lanes or more. Then there is self-checkout. So I'd say per square foot or per good on the shelves there are probably close to twice as many people employed.

Work for a local business and your child gets sick, they practically demand that you go and get that child and take care of them. Work for walmart and they tell you "if you can't do your job we will find someone else to do it!" They couldn't give a crap about your family, they are worried about their performance bonus.

Ok, enough of that rant. :)

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by musterdbom on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:09

To be fair it is new technology to them when you consider the way they've been printing lol we've all seen the youtube videos of ridiculous manual printing operations.

If they do have the capability of remote monitoring/control then yeah that would surprise many people here. That may have just been a diagnostic display that I saw a while back that was remotely connected to the machine.

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Submitted by screenmachines on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 16:32

musterdbom wrote:
To be fair it is new technology to them when you consider the way they've been printing lol we've all seen the youtube videos of ridiculous manual printing operations.

If they do have the capability of remote monitoring/control then yeah that would surprise many people here. That may have just been a diagnostic display that I saw a while back that was remotely connected to the machine.

Really thats your SPIN on it? You just can't fix stupid...

"Keep the the ink moving and you make money..."

Submitted by musterdbom on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 23:24

screenmachines wrote:
Really thats your SPIN on it? You just can't fix stupid...

Sooo remote monitoring via wifi or 3g isn't new press technology? I was busting Robert's chops about a year ago when he was touting the serial flash plug at every head. My argument was, "why not use bluetooth", and why not wirelessly network the press to send job data to a main computer to get around M&R's blanket patent, "screen printing apparatus with data storage".

Pretty sure most of the time he would pair "old technology" with "overpriced". Oh drat, there I go spinning it again. Call fox news! :cool:

Submitted by Printwizard on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 06:25

musterdbom wrote:
Sooo remote monitoring via wifi or 3g isn't new press technology? I was busting Robert's chops about a year ago when he was touting the serial flash plug at every head. My argument was, "why not use bluetooth", and why not wirelessly network the press to send job data to a main computer to get around M&R's blanket patent, "screen printing apparatus with data storage" :cool:

Awesome thinking. I don't know how it would work with multiple machines, suppose every head couod have some coded frequency so you don't turn off head eight and the machine next to it stops printing yellow...... But the technology in the next decade will be amazing as the screen machines catch up to the rest of the printing industries adapting and using or borrowing ideas. RWBs idea for the mustang of digital micro registration is an example.

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Submitted by srimonogramming on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 11:38

Printwizard wrote:
Awesome thinking. I don't know how it would work with multiple machines, suppose every head couod have some coded frequency so you don't turn off head eight and the machine next to it stops printing yellow...... But the technology in the next decade will be amazing as the screen machines catch up to the rest of the printing industries adapting and using or borrowing ideas. RWBs idea for the mustang of digital micro registration is an example.

I can't wait to see the digital micro regi feature in action but I'm gonna tap the brakes on whether or not it's going to be a game changer or a feature that will set the mustang apart.

Submitted by Printficient on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 19:54

srimonogramming wrote:
I can't wait to see the digital micro regi feature in action but I'm gonna tap the brakes on whether or not it's going to be a game changer or a feature that will set the mustang apart.

Has been around for years. MHM 4000 and 3000
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Submitted by srimonogramming on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 20:49

Printficient wrote:
Has been around for years. MHM 4000 and 3000

Yes, I know, I guess I should have clarified that I'll wait and see if this is going to be a game changer on a press that most shops could actually afford. I could be wrong, but I thought the micro reg on the mustang is going to be different than those that have been in use on the mhm's?

Submitted by inkman996 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 12:15

Printwizard wrote:
Awesome thinking. I don't know how it would work with multiple machines, suppose every head couod have some coded frequency so you don't turn off head eight and the machine next to it stops printing yellow...... But the technology in the next decade will be amazing as the screen machines catch up to the rest of the printing industries adapting and using or borrowing ideas. RWBs idea for the mustang of digital micro registration is an example.

Please give credit where credit is due. Robert is not the brains behind micro registration, he may wish the world to believe that but according to some these new features were to be released on the newer RPM's now obviously it is the mustang.

Submitted by Ink Guy on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 00:30

musterdbom wrote:
To be fair it is new technology to them when you consider the way they've been printing lol we've all seen the youtube videos of ridiculous manual printing operations.

If they do have the capability of remote monitoring/control then yeah that would surprise many people here. That may have just been a diagnostic display that I saw a while back that was remotely connected to the machine.

Great Post!
This is new technology for China. If you think about it, China is where we were in the 60's.

If you buy toys for kids from China today, you are dealing with lead paint.

I am not a Barnes supporter but I have been paying attention.

Barnes never say M&R was not good.

He always referred to Printex as newer technology

He is selling his press on a few features that Printex has and M&R doesn't.

These features may not be needed to operate, but they are the leather seats..the wood grain of the press.

Would Barnes sell M&R if he could? You bet, That is why he went to China.

Think about how Barnes is positioning himself

His top of the line press is already proven. They just have to make a couple more larger models. The RPM renamed as Mustang has had zero complaints

His mid level will be Printex. It is unproven, but a fine machine with a few growing pains.
As soon as they get it straightened out it will be a top contender.

His lower line the Sporty is designed to run next to M&R lower to mid level presses at a fraction of the cost.

Submitted by Gilligan on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 01:45

Gives me a greater appreciation for poorly translated instruction manuals. ;)

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

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Submitted by inkbrigade on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 05:01

I know it's a popular thought that everything is made in china but it's just not true. The United States still manufactures more than china.

Check out this link

I think they are on track to bypass us this year though. The US has been moving to a service based economy for a long time now.

Our future in the country in science, tech and innovation. Not labor. THis is why it's important to give our kids a good education. They are falling behind so bad it's embarrassing.

If america want's to stay as fat and happy as it is.. we need to invest in our future.. the kids.

T-Shirt, Sweatshirt, Hoodie Screen Printing in Portland Oregon.
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Submitted by Gilligan on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 10:07

inkbrigade wrote:
I know it's a popular thought that everything is made in china but it's just not true. The United States still manufactures more than china.

Check out this link

I think they are on track to bypass us this year though. The US has been moving to a service based economy for a long time now.

Our future in the country in science, tech and innovation. Not labor. THis is why it's important to give our kids a good education. They are falling behind so bad it's embarrassing.

If america want's to stay as fat and happy as it is.. we need to invest in our future.. the kids.

I agree with the education part (and right now we aren't ranking that high).

But I disagree with that article. I don't think they are talking apples to apples.

If China produces all the toys, computers.. just about everything we use daily and we produce sophisticated stuff like medical equipment. Sorry but my house doesn't have that much medical equipment but just looking around my room I can't find except MAYBE some furniture that MIGHT have been made here. And some guns and ammo and magazines (and some of those are european and south american). I got flash lights, tv's, shoes, clothes, remotes, cell phones, flip cameras, two industrial temp probes, a bowl, laptops, sat recievers, tivo, Xtremer, all the baby's toys, video camera, iPad clone, sun glasses... oh, I just found something a pile of Disc Golf disc.

I mean I can walk around my house and find at LEAST 10:1 items that are made in asia over US.

The number one thing we really produce here is ignorance... people are constantly told that we are the best and that makes us very complacent and we don't strive to get better.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by Printwizard on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 14:58

No, digital micro is already on other machines. It's great in some ways, especially fast running industrial machines where you are printing a hundred plus items a minute, and it will speed serape on textile machines a bit, but not revolutionary significantly fast. What will be interesting is the quality of the drive mechanism and it's drive speed. There are some which move with one speed, and the which end have a two speed system with movement at millimeter rate, and tenths of mm rate. The good dual speeds often have high res cameras you can set to the print and blow up on a large screen so you can see whats happening in motion, but will be overkill on a tee shirt press. At least the industry is looking sideways for ideas to replicate and make easier and quicker to setup. Remembering there is lots of technology out there, but other offset, flexo presses etc also cost millions, it's a case of people being able to invest in that, and get a good return on that development and investment without being overkill and unsustainable. Rich will likely agree that they could develop also a million dollar press, and could have done so a decade ago, but there just may not be a market for it. The manufacturers will no more than us to a degree of what is feasible as that is their business.

Submitted by jmd on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 15:21

Each person and business has a line that they draw, and to cross that line does not make sense to them or the business. Example, there are cars out there that can park themselves... I dont want my car to park itself nor have the ability or over technology of doing so. I am quite happy and have the ability to park my car.

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