Now this is a real press factory

I have no problem admitting he was dead wrong on this account. Hopefully he has got it all out of his system with the Printex.

This makes sense to me and were all things that I discussed with 2M prior to moving forward with anything. Unfortunately no matter which press we would have went with visiting the factory was not something I was going to be able to do unless it was within fairly close driving distance.

But remember, he's doing the same with Mustank, word for word, it's actually comical, you could swap Playtex for Mustank and the post was the same. Same person doing the "judgement" as well. Remember that. So ask yourself, is he that dumb, or is he deceiving people?

If hes done it once. Well than that's all a lot of us need to know about him.

Why could you not visit the factory when this much money is at risk? At the least airfare would/should of been covered for you to see reality.

I just made up my mind on who I'm going with for my Auto purchase! These videos were awesome. I almost bought a Javelin a couple months ago and I'm glad I didn't.

I watched all the videos Tuesday night, awesome. I really wish I could have gone up there when I was invited, still one of my biggest disappointments in a long time.

Invite is still valid Alan. You are welcome anytime!

I have seen it with my own eyes. It's nuts, I highly recommend taking the tour. It certainly helped make my purchase easier.

Videos are awesome!

To put it in perspective, there are more people using the restroom at any one time at M&R than are employed in total at many screen print press manufactures.

It is an awesome experience seeing both M&R facilities. The most amazing thing to me is how smooth the entire operation flows. Things just get done there period.

We have all M&R equip, but never took the tour. I would like to go someday if Rich has hookups for my motorhome. LOL

Those videos are awesome. I almost freaked when Rich mentions one of the machines having to have solid concrete 12 feet down in the ground to stop the vibrations. Very impressive. I love the crow's nests too!!!!!! You guys sure know how to maximize the use of floor space. Amazing to see, and very inspiring to see how it started as a small warehouse space and keeps growing. Cool how you guys left the old exterior wall texture from your original shop. Niki and I can't wait to get the time to come up there for a tour!!!

Hookups are no problem!

I see that you have posted this before. Are you joking or is this true. How can one person build 2M presses by himself part time?

I also like to barbque and we are very loud. I hope you can join in.

I think the perfect time would be during the manufacturing of our 12/14 Challenger III. We got some work to do before that happens but that's the goal and when I make up my mind, it's gonna happen.

I make BBQ sauce myself and you don't know noise until you spend some time around her. Bring it on!

The building that they use to do the assembly is the suburb next to where we are. Come up and I will drive you over there and you can figure how many people could possibly work there.

Islandtees has a really nice shop, really nice people there too! It was great meeting you guys last year, thanks for taking time on your Saturday to hang out for a bit!

meant here, not her!

Is this meant to be a knock on 2M?

Why not Customized? everytime I have bought something big I have flown out to view it...#1. to see it #2. to learn how to run it #3 to make sure I understood what I was doing...laying down 50k for a press, 40k for dts, 22k for DTG...heck airfare and a hotel is nothing compared to those prices....

I that airfare and invite international ?? ;-):eek:

That's why we go with M&R

If necessary it should be.

I actually find the expensive ones make more noise. The cheap ones tend to be a little tired, worn out. Bit sloppy on th index, have sloppy lift and only one speed on the flood stroke. Expensive ones definitely stroke faster. The cheap ones don't respond to button pushing and knob tweaking either where as the expensive ones tend to be full feature. I tend to stay away from the chain driven ones so can't comment there. The expensive ones can be programmed a little easier also to go around again and again, but that all depends if you can keep up with loading them.:eek:

Printwizard, You Are Too Much!
Even a little harder, if you have two of um...

I won't buy a frickin $200 cell phone without touching it first.

Buying a press without flying out to look at the factory or shake some hands is INSANE.

Not at all. They are 5 minutes down the road.

If it was meant to cast a shadow on 2M then that is just sad. "Mine is bigger than yours" is the stupid kind of things I would only expect to hear from RWB. Not only is it irrelevant, but it is childish.

Maybe Robert hacked 244's name.

My apologies then, that second half of your post is what through me for a loop. It sounded like you were insinuating that just by driving by you would be able to tell that they were "nothings."

make that "threw" me for a loop

Sure sounded like a knock to me, just from the outside looking in. What would be wrong with doing business with a small company? Fear? Of?

Nothing wrong with small companies but 1 person assembling presses. Who does quality control. How do you check all the circuits and everything else that goes into a press. 1 person cannot handle it all.

That would depend on who the 1 person is. You could just as easily argue that it would be easier for multiple people to overlook something thinking that someone else checked it. That whole "if you want it right do it yourself" mindset is in some instances spot on. But to be honest having and abstract argument about this is pointless.

So specifically...with regard to 2M what evidence do you have of this "small company" producing bad presses that would lead you to post what you did?

OK, enough of your BS. You come on here trying to stir up crap about buying a press from Barnes. Your so called trying to get the information to decide if its true. Who cares. You bought your press, good luck and stop whining like a little girl.

BS? Whining? I was simply asking a legitimate question that had nothing to do with Barnes and you respond with an attack.

If you don't want to engage in an honest discussion then why post anything to begin with?

One person can assemble and test the press for complete operation just fine, it will just take longer to do. We all know there is nothing wrong with the size of 2M when it comes to the quality of the press, delivery time is the only thing that is really affected as long as the few guys that are building the press do their jobs correctly. Quick delivery is important to most buyers, but a 26 week delivery time doesn't have to be negative if the shop is aware and covered for it. If a shop has a perfectly good auto that isn't a bottleneck in their production then they are better prepared for whatever delivery time they are comfortable with. We all are also aware of how long delivery times can cripple a business too, but all of this has to be considered during the buying process.

Personally, I don't know if I could have waited more than a few months for our press, I was way too pumped up to get a new one since it was my first goal I set for the shop when I started working there. We got ours in 5 weeks but the press was already in Chicago. It's my opinion that 2M should work to get their delivery times down to 10-12 weeks if they want to grow and be a serious player in the industry. If they are content and there are enough customers to keep their workload where they want and are willing to wait 6-8 months for their press then nobody should bad mouth their business model. But if you have a sales staff or distributor that relies on moving quantities of autos to keep their business afloat then the model of manufacturing of 2-3 presses a month and 6 month delivery times is not going to work and something will have to give.

There is nothing wrong with doing business with a small company and it's not a knock. Every buyer if given the opportunity should visit the company where you intend to lay down your hard earned money. Why risk your life savings or a heavy debt load without seeing what support and back up supply,etc you are paying for. The purchase of a press should include those items. That is part of what you are paying for in the purchase price. If that is not that important to you then I agree don't visit the manufacturer if possible. Just give someone your money and hope they are there when you need them. I see people doing it here pretty successfully all the time. ( now that last statement WAS a knock)!

8 month delivery time come on people thats ridiculous as hell! Not to knock you CP because you are stating you are fine with it but damn! you were first told 14 weeks and now its 8 months! And the excuses are lame, its the same crap I heard when waiting for our Printex. They blamed Germany, truckers, customs etc. What is obvious between the two is Robert he is the common denominator here. And I am fully convinced Roberts desire to upgrade these presses is what causes such long lead times.

I will have to say, when you are willing to wait that long for a pc of machinery for production do you really need that machine in the first place. Seems to me if you can go that long why not another 8 months.

Disappearing when a press is owed?

See Playtex for exact example.

Exactly my point as well.

I love doing business with small business. But sorry, not on capital equipment.

You should hear mine! The lift cylinder sounds like its going to have a stroke some day soon.