Used Machines at Auctions

By danlilsade Verified Vendor on Dec. 05, 2015
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Two weeks ago today I was at an auction with lots of used printing equipment. It was all sold " As Is, Where Is No Warranties or Guarantees" . The equipment was all represented as to being in "Good Operating Condition". I would like the buyers of these items to reply to this thread with comments on the condition of the machines they purchased.

I was there for an thorough inspection (4 hours) 8 days prior to the auction. These machines went for prices comparable to what I sell similar machines for with 100% Operational Warranty at set up and 90 day after set up Parts Exchange Warranty. Just curious to get some feedback on the condition of their purchases.

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Submitted by drpromo on Sat, 12/05/2015 - 17:32

I could not believe the prices they got for those machines. Especially considering there was an additional 18% buyers premium and then rigging fees to get the machines out of the auction site.

It will be interesting to hear if anyone on the site bought one of them.

Submitted by mgfi26 on Fri, 12/11/2015 - 11:55

Can someone please move this thread out of the classifieds section and into the discussion forum where it belongs.

Thanks

Submitted by mgfi26 on Fri, 12/11/2015 - 19:01

Maybe I'm wrong. I thought this was a "classified forum" as in, for sale. At least that's what it says. This thread is a discussion about equipment. If not then what exactly are you advertising for sale?

Please move to discussions forum.

Submitted by mgfi26 on Fri, 12/11/2015 - 19:09

This is a pretty good site, great for buying / selling used equipment. But posts in the classified section with content like:

"These machines went for prices comparable to what I sell similar machines for with 100% Operational Warranty at set up and 90 day after set up Parts Exchange Warranty"

Taken from the original post wreak of a self serving advertisement saying "buy my equipment". That's not what this section of the forum is for. It clogs up the board so everyone else looking to list equipment for sale, or view those listings, has to navigate around it.

There is a section however for "discussions", and that's where this post belongs.

my .02

Submitted by danlilsade on Sun, 12/13/2015 - 13:39

The topic is "Used Screen Printing Equipment" not "Used Screen Printing Equipment For Sale". The auction was "Used Screen Printing Equipment". Argh...sorry to step on your oh so sensitive toes.

Seritech Inc.

ch54panel@yahoo.com

Submitted by catdaddyc on Sun, 12/13/2015 - 22:07

well if you got a 10c gauntlet for 25k that doesn't sound that bad to me....you have to look at what other presses are going for and the condition...that shop had been around for 20 years and was very savvy how to take care of presses I am sure. There's no doubt in my mind that if a dealer got these then they would have sold for at least 40k.. right now you have a 6 color rs going for 18k and a 3 color going for 10k and a 14c challenger 2 that's 50k these are "refurbed" and all air heads.. so if a dealer got these 10 color loaded gauntlets with ac heads close to 40k I bet if not more...and as far as shipping crating etc the buyer almost always pays for that.. it would be interesting to have the prices listed online for the ac head presses not just this the air head presses...oh and who cares what section its in...lol..nobody reds the other sections...lol..everyone knows this is where the action is...lol...oh and also bill if you have a loaded gauntlet 10c and are asking 25-30k then I am interested...lol.. hope everyone has happy holidays

Submitted by danlilsade on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 09:35

Thanks Catdaddy, you are right no one reads the other sections. Feedback is what I am looking for, a couple of the machines had issues when I inspected the units 8 days prior to the sale. I just would like know if the issues were addressed or if they were represented incorrectly at the sale.

I have a 8 Color GII Servo with air heads I am picking up this week. No 10 Color machines right now, however that could change in a hour.

I think the right price for nice warranted 10 - 12 GII is closer to $40k than $30k. A Sporty would be less (in the low to mid $30's). Sportsman are not as robust of machine as GII's they cost less and obviously they aren't as beefy.

When I sell a machine with a warranty a bit of risk goes along with that deal for me, a bottom end (ball screw, program, servo drive or worse all 3) is hell of a lot of money. You can inspect the machine "till the cows come home", but you can't 100% predict the failure on these components, the price is justified by the warranty. Everybody wants Servo drive, well it's expensive to repair, it's "just the nature of the beast".

People do not give these presses away, by the time you inspect, buy it, disassemble, crate and warranty the machine, the expenses & risks have to be covered from the sale price. I offer machines constantly without a warranty (for less $$$$), no one takes the deal, the warranty makes the deal every time.

Seritech Inc.

ch54panel@yahoo.com

Submitted by mgfi26 on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 10:11

danlilsade wrote:
The topic is "Used Screen Printing Equipment" not "Used Screen Printing Equipment For Sale". The auction was "Used Screen Printing Equipment". Argh...sorry to step on your oh so sensitive toes.

You're wrong, this forum is classifieds, and the sub heading is used screen printing equipment. Although classifieds means "by class, or a type of arrangement", most take it to mean 'for sale'.

You're suggesting this forum is for "Used screen printing equipment discussion"? I'll even go one further, you're suggesting this forum is for 'used screen printing equipment AND discussion'? Don't you think the 'Discussion' forum is a bit redundant then. Why does it bother you so much that someone suggest you post your threads in the correct forum?

I'll bet I speak for more than just myself when I say it's a bit irritating to have to wade through a bunch of posts that don't even pertain to this forum just to get to what the forum is actually about, people listing their equipment for sale.

Submitted by mgfi26 on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 10:19

Let me make it easy. I copied these directly from this site, these are the headings for each forum. You can draw your own conclusion.

Discussions

Screen Printing
Talk about the many facets of screen printing, including business, equipment, and techniques.

Classifieds

Used Screen Printing Equipment
Buy/sell used manual and automatic presses, exposure units, electric and gas dryers, pressure washers, etc.

I can't make it any easier than that.

Submitted by danlilsade on Tue, 12/08/2015 - 08:38

Not a crazy price for Servo Drive w/AC head 10 - 12 Gauntlet II presses, however they should be in very good shape and fully operational for that amount of money. These did go at nearly $30k each plus buyer's premium, rigging, freight and set up. These were sold "AS IS" with no warranty, the condition determines whether or not they went for crazy money. If these required extensive repairs, then the buyers paid strong money for machines with these print counts.

I would like to get feedback on the condition from the purchaser(s) of these machines. Typically when a company is in a financial bind, maintenance and repairs are the first things to suffer cutbacks.

The point of this exercise is help set the values of similar used machines. These presses had in the neighborhood of 7M prints on them and even though they should not be past their operational life, they would require attention on a regular basis to maintain 100% functionality.

Seritech Inc.

ch54panel@yahoo.com

Submitted by mgfi26 on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 11:38

Not really, I just made a simple suggestion. Too many of these boards start out good, then because of a few, become gummed up with garbage.

There is a specific place for you to place posts like this one, I just pointed them out to you. You are no longer refuting it at least. The next step is to just say "hey, my mistake" and move on. Instead of arguing about it when you're obviously wrong.

I'm not mad, or trying to be argumentative, but facts are facts. Sorry if you don't like it.

Submitted by mgfi26 on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 13:00

You try to sell much more on this site than I do. It's a case of can't see the forest for the trees. And, you're making yourself look bad. I'm done with this. Maybe you'll get a clue.

Submitted by danlilsade on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 14:00

Think this guy might be with auction company??? Or is he just a good Samaritan trying to keep clean message boards for us all. This is very interesting, wait maybe it's RWB.

Seritech Inc.

ch54panel@yahoo.com

Submitted by mgfi26 on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 15:25

Not sure who / what RWB is, but I can assure you I'm not affiliated. Is it that hard to believe I just think posts should go where they belong?

Submitted by catdaddyc on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 18:14

lmao...is that barnes??? I havent heard that guys name for awhile...i think he is selling mattresses...i am serious who was the other guy that was in cali that had a crazy wife that took his name of the company name and they would change it all around..and she would email but it was really him...etc...

Submitted by CustomizedPrintables on Mon, 12/14/2015 - 19:22

danlilsade wrote:
Is this all you have to do with your time?

If my position just got unhinged like yours just did, I'd probably backtrack, make light of the whole context, fold like a cheap tent, and point fingers and random people who no longer "contribute" to this board too ;-).

Submitted by danlilsade on Tue, 12/15/2015 - 09:50

My position is the post is pertinent, and the complainer didn't have a dog in the fight, however the moderator doesn't agree.... so be it.

The point of the post was help bring to light for newbies or over anxious buyers awareness that all that glitters is not gold, at the auctions or in the DigitSmith used market posts (both brokers & casual sellers).

I still contend the the complainer is with the auction company. On a second note I post may name on every thread, I am not anonymous in my opinions.

The Dude Abides

Seritech Inc.

ch54panel@yahoo.com

Submitted by mgfi26 on Tue, 12/15/2015 - 10:12

You are certainly entitled to your opinion regarding the relevance of this thread being started in the wrong forum. Although, at this point it appears you are very much in the minority, possibly even the only.

I'm curious though, what would an auction company have to gain by pointing out that you posted in the wrong forum. The auction companies don't control the prices at auction, the buyers do. What you have said is that people are paying too much at auction. This isn't a function of the auction company, it's solely up to the buyers to determine what they feel the value of any given piece of equipment is.

You even suggesting folks are paying too much at auction is an insult to the very people you are trying to sell to. And let's be honest, that was the intent of your original post, a sales pitch. It would probably be in your best interest to let this die. But hey, you've got all the rope you need, hang away for all I care.

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Submitted by Binkspot on Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:51

Wow I thought Fat Bobby was back, tooooooo funny. Guys been on here for 2 years, 2 post about overpriced frames and 8 bashing Bill, one of the most reputable guys here. Doesn't get much better then this.

Bill keep posting. Spoke to a couple of people about those presses, advised them they would go high and figured there would be issues.

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