Anatol Titan

check out the diamondback, dude you live in Illinois. The diamond back is made there. You could go and see it at the factory.

I would look at the one color press,Anatol had in
the booth at Long Beach! It prints volume,say about
1000 per hour. Not bad! If you need more volume
buy two. It does take up quite a bit of space approx
6 square feet, and has a nice print area about
4"x4". I hope this helps!

I'm also in the same boat... my new shop will be a tight fit and the anatol's smaller foot print makes it a little bit better. Otherwise I have to give up another entire room and knock another wall down.

DLV,
Please ignore my first post!
A bad misjudgement on my part.
Its a long story,with no need to
bring it up! sorry.
A corect answer is you are lucky to be in
the smack middle of some great companies.
Go to Anatol,go to Mnr and look for yourself.
They are both good compainies,with good
products,support.You will do well with either
But since I already have a 2 egg omlete on
my face, why not go for 3. It is hard to beat
the Diamondback 6 color,servo I. your back
yard.Time to go wash off some eggs.
winston

I agree on the Dback if it will fit in your space. Its about 11 ft in diameter. The Titan depending on color combo will be under 10 ft. With the Titan you give up a little in print size and to maximize it's 16x16 print you would have to buy custom 20x28 frames which to me would be a pain in the butt and not allow you to expand in the future as easily. The Dback takes standard 23x31 frames and has a 16x18 print area.

Titan is a prefect machine for really small space, but the fact to me that it does not print using a standard size auto screen killed it for me. Looked at the Horizon, liked it, liked the diamond back as well. I think both would be great in any small shop. I wanted something with a little more balls so I went with a Sportsman. But I have no space restrictions.

I agree... the screen size is a limiting factor. I do happen to be sitting on 60 MZX 18x20's so it does kind of say "run with it" to me.

If I went with anything other than the Titan I'd be knocking down a wall and losing an entire room that was meant for something else.

@Printwizard, I know I'm a fairly new guy to this biz but when Newman (hard to argue they aren't a standard) makes 23x31 as their smallest "auto screen". But I'm pretty new and ignorant to this industry, but like it or not, that is the "standard" size for everyone now.

Will the 18x20s fit the Titan? I wonder what kind of print size you could get out of them on a Titan.

Thanks for the history lesson, all makes sense. I like the idea of standardization across all machines. I have about 6000 screens, envy thing stays up in the uniforms world for repeat jobbies. Amongst all the accumulated and hoarded stuff I have is a couple hundred precision oval screens with the bits in the ends, maybe they'll fit a Mustang. I think ive still got a crate of squeegees and floods off the precision somewhere too, if they fit bonus, if not, scrap Ali is getting good money these days!

I understand the dreamer question now. Yup, all MFGs tend to have good info on their websites, and there is a lot of info, might pay them to read a lot more before they ask questions. Even Tradeshows as eyeing in the states means they're virtually local, a cheap plane trip.

Open up any supplier catalog in this country to the prestretched screens page and all you will see is manuals @ 20"x24" and autos @ 23"x31". That size is a standard not set by M&R at all but by printers them selves over the years. There is other sizes readily available for bigger prints of course and you can get custom sizes as well, but 23x31 is by far the most common M&R available. Brandt could have just as well bought a different press that uses the 23x31 not just M&R

Hi -

Check out the Diamondback L. Up to 7 colors, servo-drive indexer, takes 20" x 24" screens and only 8.5 feet in diameter.

http://www.mrprint.com/en/ProductOverview.aspx?id=142

Good call... I did not see that they had one that small.

How small can it break down to? I'm trying to avoid putting in a double door in the back of someone else's building at my expense.

Granted you do give up some print space. The titan can do 16x16

That small of a print size is a killer. I think the Titans 16x16 is even to small.

The Titan can fit in a 28" door with the special options package...

I installed one a few months back!! ;)

Yes the image area isn’t huge, but 16" x 16" is impressive for this size press...

A 6/8 is only 9' 4" diameter, and the 5/6 is a tiny 8' 2" diameter!!! :D

And yes Gilly... They can use the Newman 18 X 20 Frames!! :eek: :cool:

Redundant question (as I emailed it to you already) but maybe it would be good for the masses.

What would the print area be on an 18x20 roller?

I know on the Diamondback L it's only 11" top to bottom, meaning you give up like 11.5" of screen to make that print with a 20x24 frame. If I put on a 18x20 I'd be limited to 8.5" top to bottom of a shirt? That's probably assuming squeegee and flood are set to 0 degrees.

Brannon... umm, 18x20 ;) Newman 18x20's are labeled by ID.

Brian... Yeah, but bigger frames = bigger radius for the press... you have to slide those puppies in from somewhere.

They can claim 9.5' footprint all they want... but if you want to slide in the 28" long frame (the max it can handle) you need another 4.5' added to that diameter making the "effective footprint" 14'.

Things to keep in mind:
- Diamondback L features a standard servo-driven indexer.
- Diamondback L cycles MUCH faster than any other press anywhere near its price.
- Diamondback L features M&R's exclusive, patented "Revolver" program, which allows printing and flashing in any sequence, and even without losing use of a print head. So, a 6 color Diamondback can print 6 colors even when flashing, no matter how many colors require flashing. Revolver is something that you may not use every day, but it will enable you to print jobs that wouldn't be possible on presses that don't have this feature (this means any non-M&R press)
- M&R is always very conservative when it comes to rated print area vs. screen size. For instance, we quote a 14" image width capability when using a 20" wide screen. The screen frame itself is going to eat up 3" (1.5"+1.5") of that 20", making the ID 17". Quoting a 14" image width allows a very realistic 1.5" from the edge of the squeegee to the inside edge of the screen frame. Printing closer than that to the edge of the screen frame MAY be possible, but we're confident that even with marginal screen tension, 14" is doable. Compare that with other manufacturers' image size vs. screen size claims....
- We have many customers using the Diamondback Ls to print all types of shirts, as well as printing tagless labels at the highest speed possible.

I dont think the image width is as important as the length. If the L could do 14X16 it would be great but I dont think this is that machines strength and thats where the Titan shines. The L has its place but not for an entry level auto for a screen printer. I can see it going to a shop with a large auto that can use the L for tags and other prints that fit the print area while not tying up the large auto. Same goes for the Titan. I know I get asked to print beyond 16" pretty frequently.

My upgrade list would consist of

Diamondback XL which may be the best option for image size/price.
Rpm/Mustang if I have the coin
Progressive Falcon M if I have the coin

Another option that minimizes ACTUAL "footprint" is the flip up heads.

The effective foot print of a 6/8 Sportsman EX is 13'ish? Not sure how much room they need to flip. You could shoehorn in a m3 from underneath/the side and not really have to have much room in front of each head. Clearly you would be jammed against the wall on a couple of heads while working and it wouldn't be fun, but it's something to think about.

How much does one of those puppies run for?

The 8/10 effective footprint is 14'ish... what is the pricing on that bad boy?

What other presses have the flip up heads? Printex, but unless Brian takes over that is WAY out of the question. Anyone else?

Dang Brannon, you must hate the diamondback!

Jason...

Not at all actually...

I love and respect all "Major brands" of screen printing equipment...

I happen to represent Anatol, but thad doesn’t mean I don’t understand that all brand have their place in the market...

This thread was started by someone that was interested in the Titan... I simply tried to show how the titan is the best in "its class"

To give an example... I think the Tuf Freedom is an awesome press "for some printers", that doesn’t mean the Anatol Horizon wouldn’t be better for "Other Printers"...

I feel that as a supplier, I am supposed to fit the product to the printer... By definition this means I will not win every deal, but if I do my job, I will never be short of happy customers...;)

I do agree as far as features/price Anatol has it down I believe especially in the start up market.

Brannon, you know I'm busting your balls homie, we go way back. I knew you in the business probably before anyone else!

BTW, I will take that part for my anatol, that includes you stopping by and installing it right?

The DBL will run over 1300 cycles per hour - by far the fastest in the industry at anything near its price point, and 45% faster than the Titan, according to Spot Color Supply's quoted speed.

DBL's index speed is so quick that the pallets are stopped for a higher percentage of the total index cycle time, giving the operator more time to load/unload (since operators don't load when the pallets are indexing).

DBL has ALWAYS used a touch-screen interface.

M&R offers the Tri-Loc registration system which cuts average setup time by at least 50%, and in most cases by more than 75%. This means more time printing, and less time setting up. Set up time COSTS money - printing time MAKES money.

M&R pneumatic-head presses use urethane bumpers at the end of their print stroke because thousands and thousands of presses' worth of experience showed us that the bumpers are more reliable and much less expensive in the long run than shock absorbers.

Take a look at a DBL in a photo or in person - it's easy to tell that it's built to last, like all M&R equipment.

But WHO'S PENIS IS BIGGER!?!?!