What would you do to improve my layout?

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So I am in a small 800 sqft shop and need to make the best of my space. Is their anything you would change?

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Prosperi-Tees wrote:
So I am in a small 800 sqft shop and need to make the best of my space. Is their anything you would change?

You're going to be moving clean bulk stock past your ink table. It's best to have a "dirty side" and clean side"

folding, sorting, finishing, staging, storing etc on one side

ink mixing, screen coating, cleaning prep et on the other

try not to have your clean shirts on the dirty side and dirty elements on the clean side...it'll save A LOT of ruined shirts.

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Yup, with icon on that. Also keeping your coated screens close to your exposure unit and in a drier hotter area away from the wetter cooler area and coating in the dry area away from dust, machine moving or doorways that can move dust. That's ideal, but work with what you have where you can and likely it will all work with a bit of tolerance.

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Well the reason I ask is I am trying to squeeze a 12 ft dryer in there in place of the 8ft thats in the first pic. How does this look? I know the ink would be close to the folding table on the manual printing end of the dryer but that should not present to much of a hassle. Im not sure if I could fit the dryer longways thats why I layed it out at an angle.

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Prosperi-Tees wrote:
Well the reason I ask is I am trying to squeeze a 12 ft dryer in there in place of the 8ft thats in the first pic. How does this look? I know the ink would be close to the folding table on the manual printing end of the dryer but that should not present to much of a hassle. Im not sure if I could fit the dryer longways thats why I layed it out at an angle.

Three things that may help you:

1. Take some of the platen arms off of manual.
2. Put wheels or skids under manual to move around as needed.
3. Put wheels or skids under dryer to move around as needed.

These things will make it easier to adjust your work area as needed.

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GraphicDisorder wrote:
Personally with that little amount of space, ditch the manual asap, you are going to be fighting for room for anything in there. Where would you put say a 2,500pc run?

I would also get rid of the manual. If you need a manual get a small table top model and build a small stand for it with wheels so you can roll it around. The auto should be where most of your printing is done,even small runs.

And if you opt for the 2nd layout it will be an either or setup.

You won't be able to print on both so you don't increase productivity having both... so no point in the manual at that point for sure.

If you have the labor to run both presses then you need to make sure to set it up where both can be printing (efficiently) for it to make sense.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Agreeing with all the above. You will put something in place and then alter likely, buildings and flows evolve naturally out of ease and necessity you will change to suit as you go. I won't take long to outgrow the building and relocate I thnk.

Get your wash-out out of the corner, It's nice to have room on both sides, or at least proper workspace that isn't 90degrees to it. I'd go with a 32" high screen cabinet that has a melamine top beside it for reclaiming chemical application if you're not using a dip-tank, and room to put screens down on a drip-tray on the other side. Screen coating doesn't need a dedicated spot, it can be done on the same table you use for reclaiming.

I do a full layout, to scale to within an inch in Corel Draw, because that's what I'm proficient in. W're just moving to triple the space with much better exposure at the turn off to our local sport fields. I'd post my layout, but it also includes pad printing, sign making and a good sized machining area for jigs and fabrication so I don't think it would help much.

PS: It's nice to have a light-table for block-out/ and taping the screens.

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I probably should downsize the manual, I still get alot of 12 pc orders that I dont fire the auto up for but I probably could get away with a 4/1 manual. I really do need a bigger building thats for sure. Thanks for the replies and keep em comin.

4:1 suck unless you're doing 12 shirts or less like you say, leave them to the yudo- home crowd. A one color/one station can be handy though. Eventually you'd regret that decision I think. At some point you'll come up with a number of shirts and number of colours printed point split between the auto and the manual. This number varies shop to shop depending on about 1000 variables so you'll need to come up with your own.

my bet is you'll outgrow that shop pretty quickly if you're at all successful, so I'd opt for crammed in there for now and start shopping for the bigger space at a bargain price.

I've upsized twice already in under 5 years, and I'm hoping Tuesday is my third time (public council meeting for a zoning change Monday evening, keep your fingers crossed for me). the shop I'm in is just a little bigger than what you've posted, and the ridiculous lack of room to move has been a running joke with the employees for over a year. we have to move product to get at equipment, move equipment to get at other equipment and when we're busy having to walk 7/8 of the way around the shop to go 10' as the crow flies isn't unusual at all. Doing a 4'x8' sign is a major exercise in shop re-arrangement.

You're far better off these days being crammed for a year or two compared to paying bigger rent and rattling around while you grow your customer base.

So in my present shop,throw in an order of wineglasses of 4000pcs or so and you get a stack of boxes the size of a 3/4 van, and many orders get printed 2 sides, so they go through the pad printer and conveyor oven twice. Add in 10-30 orders of anything from golfballs to umbrellas to stainless waterbottles or lord-forbid even a big t-shirt order and we are paralyzed with product. every conceivable spot, under every table, on top of the office, stacked in every nook and cranny is product, orders, inventory. Keeping lint out of other areas is a no-go.

I don't think I could re-arrange it any better than it is.

The front office has become the finished product area.

I do hate to leave this shop though as the landlord is not only generous and a good customer, but the shop is brand new well insulated and has a high efficiency furnace (-7F here yesterday)

The new shop is 3.5 times the space for just over twice the rent. And has much better exposure as it's on a main route. The only funny thing is it's completely surrounded by residential as it used to be a convenience store. It's older, but also has central air which is great in the summer.

I'm still not 100% happy with the work-flow in the new shop layout, the 12/14 auto I just paid for yesterday really put a dent in the free space, but we won't be dying trying to do 600pcs. 6 colour on a manual anymore. The conveyor is used by 4 different machines too, so that was tricky. Plans for a big addition/bay are on the menu for a few years from now to get the sign stuff and work benches out, as well as vehicle graphic installs.

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I have my eyes on a couple shops here in town. I know they probably wont be available when I am ready to move but you never know commercial spaces are aplenty here right now.

The first space is 1900 sq ft of open span on one of the 3 major streets in the town but the rent is about $1.00 a ft. 200 amp single phase power

The second space is 3250 sq ft of open span (have to build out a office/showroom and tie into community restrooms for plumbing) in an industrial area for about $.33 a ft with 200 amp three phase power

The third space is 1900 sq ft (400 sq ft showroom/1500 sq ft warehouse) for about $.45 a ft with 200 amp single phase (what I like about this is the warehouse is insulated and air conditioned! 100-110 degrees for 3 months out of the year here)

Prosperi-Tees wrote:
I have my eyes on a couple shops here in town. I know they probably wont be available when I am ready to move but you never know commercial spaces are aplenty here right now.

The first space is 1900 sq ft of open span on one of the 3 major streets in the town but the rent is about $1.00 a ft. 200 amp single phase power

The second space is 3250 sq ft of open span (have to build out a office/showroom and tie into community restrooms for plumbing) in an industrial area for about $.33 a ft with 200 amp three phase power

The third space is 1900 sq ft (400 sq ft showroom/1500 sq ft warehouse) for about $.45 a ft with 200 amp single phase (what I like about this is the warehouse is insulated and air conditioned! 100-110 degrees for 3 months out of the year here)

I feel for everyone who has to pay rent...that sucks! Currently our shop is approx. 2000 sq ft located on our own property. We are moving into a new location a few miles away that is over 4000 sq ft we just purchased for under $33K that was a former sporting goods store that went out of business 2 yrs. ago and was bank owned.

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cnasherman wrote:
I feel for everyone who has to pay rent...that sucks! Currently our shop is approx. 2000 sq ft located on our own property. We are moving into a new location a few miles away that is over 4000 sq ft we just purchased for under $33K that was a former sporting goods store that went out of business 2 yrs. ago and was bank owned.

You are only about 2-1/2 hours away from a Printex Show Shop in Johnstown, PA

Those prices are per month right?

I'm tempted to say just go for the biggest space, and 3 phase is a huge asset for big automatics, flashes, ovens etc. but you can do it all single phase if you need too. You'd probably want 400amps of single phase . Your business #'s will have to be the real deciding factor in how big and how fast to grow. Last year we grew 90% and the year before that were up 125%. Most of that is because we're a new business, and the economy up here in Canada did not take the same hit. We also have a diversified product/service line-up because we're in a small town market.

Shop location can be your biggest advertising so you need to assign a value to that.

how long have you been in business?

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I have been printing since may of 2010. Moved into the current shop in Nov 2010 and worked part time until Nov 2011. This year is our first full time year and we are excited at how things are shaping up and the contacts we are making. We can only get better and from the reviews of the customers that I have aquired over the past 3 months we are #1 in service and towards the top in quality from where those customers shopped before and those shops have been in business a LONG time. I am proud to say that we have the best service in this town of a 600K people, its just gonna take some time for the word to spread but I believe we will be super busy this year.

I am leaning toward that big shop as well but I dont like its location but then again it wont be to hard to navigate people there as it is behind a ceramic place that has been there for decades and everyone knows where that is. And yes that is per month rates.

Stick it out and run crammed for a while. It will not only make you appreciate the new shop even more when you get it, but it help build the bottom line and customer base without big overhead. I think just grow when you absolutely need to in today's economy. You will probably find a perfect spot if you have time to wait for it too.

Our new shop is one I've had my eyes on since before I moved into our present location. We saw a business go in there and fail and it come back on the market. The rent price even came down a bit.

I give it a 9/10 for location 8/10 for price. Don't settle!

33k Isn't even a down payment on most homes here. You're lucky in that regard.

My new shop is about $.50 sq/ft. And that was a bargain, anything near downtown or a highway is $1-3sq/ft.

Inkworks wrote:
33k Isn't even a down payment on most homes here. You're lucky in that regard.

My new shop is about $.50 sq/ft. And that was a bargain, anything near downtown or a highway is $1-3sq/ft.

No *****. The building i'm looking at here is 12,000sq and is about $1.6mil :(

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Prosperi-Tees wrote:
The difference between midwest/south and California is like night and day!

It is a pole barn, steel outside and lined with steel inside the shell is 132,000 then concrete, electric, plumbing, etc..

I build a 30x30 shop in my backyard. Intentions were to rent half to my mother-in-law for storage and use the other have for miscellaneous projects of mine.

Then I got into screen printing... I never let my mother-in-law move her stuff in and I'm running out of room. Started putting in some more overhead "loft" storage area in tonight, will finish it up tomorrow to make some more space.

We just have so much going on... sandblasting, t-shirt printing, storage of our crap... blah blah blah.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Gerry, it's always an awkward juggle. Couple of thoughts, can you pour a pad and build a plywood housing and bolt your compressor down outside, that will also keep down the noise and heat. Also, pallet racking going up and make use of height up your walls, keep your screens up high, above say tables and those shelves can give you bench space etc??

Agreed with ol' Printwizard, but I do stick with chunk the manual or figure out a way to put the presses closer together so they can both print.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

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I wish I could get that compressor outside but the landlord is a %$*&&.
I do have shelving across the walls above the screen racks and across the other side for misc supplies and extra screen storage. The 2 screen racks are full at mostly all time and I have an extra 20-30 on shelves above everything. I like the flow where it is now, we will see tomorrow when I actually work in it.

Looking good! My belt is reversible on my dryer and I love it. I actually feed the dryer with two different screen presses, a pad printer, a cylinder silkscreener and a small clamshell style press for graphic printing. Not at the same time mind you.... :) I did set it up so that both shirt presses are at the same end so they can both print at the same time.

ps: My zoning amendment passed so I'm starting the move to the new shop tomorrow!

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Inkworks wrote:
Looking good! My belt is reversible on my dryer and I love it. I actually feed the dryer with two different screen presses, a pad printer, a cylinder silkscreener and a small clamshell style press for graphic printing. Not at the same time mind you.... :) I did set it up so that both shirt presses are at the same end so they can both print at the same time.

ps: My zoning amendment passed so I'm starting the move to the new shop tomorrow!

Thats awesome. How far do you have to move?

I got my Hix 14' dryer for $200 :D It's older with no air, but with 4 elements and ~10' of tunnel it works great!

Good luck with your dryer purchase!

The move is about 3 blocks, but it cold and snowy here. We did 2 loads of wineglasses and other drinkware today....damned inventory. Tomorrow we start on the machinery etc. Not looking forward to moving my old cast-steel guillotine, the 4' x 6' vacuum frame, the oven, the 2 drying racks, the 2 cylinder screenprinters or even the manual printer. I just want to be done moving and starting to set everything up. It'll be so nice not to have to crab-walk sideways between equipment and product. Should be 3-4 weeks for my 12/14 auto to arrive....

Congrats Inkworks on the move!

My belt is reversible also and it's nice... I moved my press to the opposite side of the room and never had to move my dryer. :)

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

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Well its a used Lawson Encore 36" 12ft long 3 panel with forced air and reversible belt. I have actually not commited to buy just yet because there are 2 dryers exactly the same for sale within 20 miles from each other and a few hundred apart so I have to figure which one is better. But I have to make a decision soon because one of them has to be out of the guys shop by the 31st.

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I feel for you on the move I cringe and get excited thinking about moving the shop. If we move Ill probably sell everything and buy new in the new place! lol. Where are you based out of again?

We now do 30 - 40000 a year, we have it down to a science and can really pump them out when we need to. They have been a good part of our success to date, but now we're also selling the wineries apparel, signage other drinkware, custom cardboard boxes and anything else the ask for. The town I'm in is only ~12000 people, and the whole valley is about 350,000 spread out over ~150 miles, so we have to be fairly diverse. We do have a real summer tourism market though. so a successful shop has to tap into that even if it's indirectly.

Well it ain't locked up until the money is in the till. We're sticking our necks out a fair bit with the jump in rent and payments on an auto..... Ask me again in 6 months :D

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