Revolver mode

By Promo Print on Jun. 24, 2011
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I would like to know what exactly revolver mode that M&R has is?
I am asking because I know that M&R is protective of their patents. There are rumors that M&R wants to sue Printex because they have same (similar??) feature.
Than I found out that Anatol has same (similar?) feature that they call "Step back" program. Than I found out that Brown just introduced their version of software that does same (similar?) thing.
There are also rumors that every MGF has some sort of same (similar?) feature on their presses.
That is why I would like to know what exactly revolver is? Inkman told me once that Revolver is much more than print first station, flash second and back to first station what other manufacturers are having, but he stops short explaining what is that much more?

Submitted by vicb on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 14:28

And just a bit of new technology history...We designed and manufactured control panels using push buttons in the 80's. I the 90's we used membrane switches with a lexan overlay just like on the printex. The membrane switches held up fine but the lexan always cracked and eventually broke off where the dimple is in the lexan. We stop using the membrane switches because the overlay, no matter what substrate that was used, the repeated use cracked the overlay exposing the membrane switch. We changed in the later 90's to touch screen. Today, if we design a system that is not touchscreen, we use push buttons.

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Submitted by preston on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 14:35

vicb wrote:
And just a bit of new technology history...We designed and manufactured control panels using push buttons in the 80's. I the 90's we used membrane switches with a lexan overlay just like on the printex. The membrane switches held up fine but the lexan always cracked and eventually broke off where the dimple is in the lexan. We stop using the membrane switches because the overlay, no matter what substrate that was used, the repeated use cracked the overlay exposing the membrane switch. We changed in the later 90's to touch screen. Today, if we design a system that is not touchscreen, we use push buttons.

My Rhino has membrane with no lexan overlay and no problems at all with anything cracking. And just about every cell phone out there that does not use a touch screen have membrane key pads and never have any problems. I think may you just got some bad membrane panels.

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Submitted by vicb on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 14:50

preston wrote:
My Rhino has membrane with no lexan overlay and no problems at all with anything cracking. And just about every cell phone out there that does not use a touch screen have membrane key pads and never have any problems. I think may you just got some bad membrane panels.

What material is used for the overlay on your rhino?
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Submitted by preston on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 15:57

vicb wrote:
What material is used for the overlay on your rhino?

You should be able to ask Rick with RPM because they use the same membrane panels as my Rhino.

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Submitted by Promo Print on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:20

vicb wrote:
And just a bit of new technology history...We designed and manufactured control panels using push buttons in the 80's. I the 90's we used membrane switches with a lexan overlay just like on the printex. The membrane switches held up fine but the lexan always cracked and eventually broke off where the dimple is in the lexan. We stop using the membrane switches because the overlay, no matter what substrate that was used, the repeated use cracked the overlay exposing the membrane switch. We changed in the later 90's to touch screen. Today, if we design a system that is not touchscreen, we use push buttons.

In printing industry all machine related to printing have membrane panels or touch screen. If it is membrane panel only push button is emergency stop. If it is touch screen only push buttons are start, stop and emergency stop.

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Submitted by Promo Print on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 20:01

While browsing MHM web page I found that they have Twister option as extra. By reading about Twister it sounded very similar to Revolver mode as it rotate more than once around.
Here is what MHM says about twister

Quote:
TWISTER Multi-Round Print / Flash Sequence Customizer

Twister is a software option that enables a single flash to be used to flash multiple colors, thus extending light-on-dark printing capabilities of smaller machines.

How does it work? With Twister, the t-shirt can go around the machine multiple times, and with each round, the print head operation can be unique. This functionality allows a single flash to be used after any to all colors, in any print order AND any number of times!

Consider this example. A typical 5-color light-on-dark job requires an 8-color press with two flashes. Flash-1 is placed in Head-2, and flashes after the underbase-white. Flash-2 is placed in Head-7 and flashes prior to a highlight-white. With Twister, the t-shirt can go around the press twice, utilizing Flash-1 both after the underbase-white, and again prior to the highlight-white. Twister enables the same job to be produced on a 6-color machine with a single flash!

Because individual heads can be used any number of times,Twister also allows for greater build-ups of certain colors.

Thanks to Synchroprint's graphical interface, setting up Twister is far easier than with complicated revolving programs.

While it is always faster to use multiple flash units, Twister is a great alternative for those with limited space or budgets.

http://www.hirschinternational.com/Products/MHM-Screen-Printing/Automatic-Accessories/Twister.aspx

Now, interesting part to me is that Rich on DigitSmith (or someone close to Rich, can not remember for sure) was explicit that Revolver patent means that no other MFG can use function for machine to program the order of which heads print and flash etc over multiple rotations in one direction.
My question would be is Twister significant improvement over Revolver so they can freely advertise it or they struck some deal with M&R so M&R lets them use Revolver renamed as Twister?

Read more: http://boards.screenprintersopen.com/general/mhm-twister-vs-mr-revolver/#ixzz1WYmaDQSX

Submitted by inkman996 on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 14:47

My brother gt541 uses membrane panel and ours is completely trashed, we tried to purchase a replacement panel but was told we could only buy the panel and switches as a whole, what a joke.

Yet our Barudan is spotless with many years of use, so I guess time is what will tell if a particular membrane panel is quality or not.

Submitted by Gilligan on Tue, 08/30/2011 - 21:06

I checked out that forum recently...

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by Printwizard on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 03:26

Gilligan wrote:
I checked out recently...

This is the image inside the screenprinting knowledge section of Gilligans brain. Thought he would know more now he is insinuating he is may be working for MnR....:eek:

Submitted by Gilligan on Wed, 08/31/2011 - 09:48

LOL... you are correct... I'm extremely ignorant to screen printing. But I'm learning.

I never insinuated I worked for M&R... your boyfriend did! I found it as comical then as you do now.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

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