Sporty-Tex Should we give it a go?

To the OP what you should find out is the real story behind Miami's 2 beta machines, Robert certainly will not tell you and the obvious lack of vids and pics of the machines should tell you there is something going on behind the scenes. There is lots of rumors about the two machines probably mostly false but there is some actual facts do your self a favor and find out. If you think you can afford to be like Miami ha go for it lol.

Just like a Printex.....wouldn't take it if it was free.

He was kicked out of the trade show for multiple reasons and adding to his fat belly was not one of them.

First of all a trade show is set up for vendors to show case to end users like us. Robert is and never was an end user he is in the vendor side of the business, he had one reason only to be there and that is to further his type of business. To be fair to all other vendors he needed to pay for a pass above the level of a normal end user, he cried like a little girl as suspected because its not fair so he says lol.

Also he was kicked out because of numerous complaints of him sneaking up to people and having pictures taken with them, everyone was gracious to him but some did lodge complaints of his actions.

Robert will not spend money in the conventional way like most of the rest of manu's, and when he tries to take advantage of others hard work he cries unfair, again it shows his true colors.

What about taking a picture and emailing it was hard work? Maybe this is why you struggle with how to build, represent, and sell quality printing equipment. After all if taking a picture is hard for you, well that says a lot!

I am the guy who you stole my 80k if ANYONE want to call me and discuss 563-593-4654 Jeff

And why do I care so much?? You will see why!

Do you work for the Blue Crew now :confused:

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You must admit that your post below has some irony built in :p

Wonder how dangerous it is.

Lets stick to the facts:

Robert Barnes sold 15-20 presses in 2-3 years.

Me being one of the RETARED customers.

He is NO threst the guy is BROKE period.

He has failed at every venture in business.

Robert Barnes is at best a mouth piece and a keyboard junkie.

Robert Barnes has stole many customers money and delivered the goods

He has Michael in Florida that they gave 2 machines to test, yes gave FREE to use.

Robert Barnes has no technical field support except him, Brian his old tech got ripped off by Robert.

If Robert was a sales manager for a company and sold only 20-30 presses in 2-3 years he would be fired!

BUYERS BEWARE!
If you are thinking of purchasing any type of screen printing equipment, I highly advise you to stay clear of Robert Barnes from Spider Machines. He sells Printex,Mustang Printers and has several business fronts.

Since your purchase is going to be a very big decision, I recommend that you research Robert Barnes so that you can see for yourself, that he has not only stolen from printing companies, but has also sold equipment falsely advertised as well as not working properly, or not even delivered the equipment.
Below is a quick copy and past of a few members here on this forum that will honestly tell their story of how Robert Barnes has ripped them off. I suggest that you take a few moments to read it, and if you follow up by contacting these people, they will surely convince you not to do business with him or his company!

Robert Barnes goes by many alias' on this forum...more than can be counted.
Ask the following people on this forum about their experience with Robert Barnes, or private message me here!

inkman996
pushingink
binkspot
Andrew at Printex EU (Andrews cell Number in Poland) 01148 668 136 652 This guys says that Robert Barnes owes Printex EU a lot of $$$

The below post was written by one of Robert Barnes' former installer/techs(binkspot), then was replied to by Winston Strickland (california dreamin), a reputable equipment dealer. Call Leon, he will confirm!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Binkspot
Didn't that happen to some poor guy out on the West Coast about a year and a half ago? I remember seeing something about that here.

Leon Monfort
Skiva Grapics
Carlsbad,Ca
(760)802-6315
I talked to Leon yesterday. He is a great guy,pushing 70 years old.
Paid for 2 presses $150,000, Nothing! Leon is a personal friend,and
I dont like it with my friends get hurt. Leon prints 2 million shirts a
month. Leon's next stop! The Govenor's office The State Of South
Carolina. If you need lots of shirts printed fast and well, keep Leon's
name. He is a real Gentleman. By the way he put in NEW M&R's
and loves them! Let's stand up for Leon! Count me In...

The "Bumper" is a man that is so tired of seeing you rip people off and lie Barnes. No affiliation to any company, just my mission to keep that egg on your face you idiot!

Your still Robert Barnes hehehehehheh!
You still only sold around 20 presses in 2 years heheheheh!
You don't have any money hehehehehehehe!
The case isn't over heheheheheeh
the case isn't over hehehehehehehe
the case isn't over hehehehehehe

Sounds like the Playtex. Common theme?

Why did you get rid of Progressive again?

I have had extensive experience with these. Yes they were known to self index, and for more excitement refuse to index while the quartz flashes remained on so for that reason fire extinguishers were always on hand. Worst overengineered piece of equipment I have ever encountered. And I have had hands on experience with the dreaded Precision Versa-Print and Versa-ovals! A company up in Norfolk scarfed up a bunch of these but soon realised they had to hire a full time tech to be on hands 24/7.

Rich is this the machine you were telling my about once that you guys set up at a trade show with screens in each head and somehow it accidentally printed all hot sticky tables by accident causing a major mess?

I have a feeling that someone is going to want that press, get it ready for shipping Rich!!! Someone will be desperate enough to take a chance on it.

Does someone have a timeline of the companies and the years they were in business? It would be cool to see the historical changes and companies that came and went, merged or went under and other significant changes. Who was a distributor or machine manufacturer? Wasn't Advance just a distributor of American machinery or do I have that wrong? I have heard all the players but I don't have a very good grasp of when and where some of them came from.

Something like:
Advance: 1980-1988 (just guessing dates)
Elexon:
M&R:
TAS:
American:
AWT:
Anatol:
etc....

My vote is no based on the fact that you could just start a second shift if your business has grown that much and save for a reputable machine that you can count on and get parts/support for. Then save your money and pay CASH for new equipment.
Unless of course you like being a ginny pig?

Hell, you don't think I started thinking of all my electrical engineer buddies I could call on? LOL

Doesn't sound safe for anybody!

Alan, I think we need a book. Other industries have them, not so much about technical stuff, just histories, overviews, stories, timelines, people, the funny side, the disasters, etc. id put one on my visa. Rich.......

Exit Jef Saxby

Enter eetherman

Great... this should be fun.

eetherman, I have a couple of issues from a financial standpoint of what you say.

You say that you NEED a new auto press, are churning out 2k+ prints a day! Yet you say that you can't afford another 20k for a new auto? I could be wrong on my math but what is your business model look like? I mean, if you are profiting even .50 cents a shirt and doing 2k+ a day that would be 1k a day. You only need a month to make 20k.

That may seem like obvious math to those not in your shoes that don't understand your financial situation and I'd give you that that is a fair statement... but that brings me to point two.

If your business runs on THAT tight of a budget/profit margin then do you really think you can afford to take the chance on a machine that might fail and leave you out for X days (even if we are talking about a week)? If you can't save 20k extra then you can't afford to be out of production for much time at all! I would say that you owe it to that family to make sure that you put the future of your business in the hands of a good company that can make sure that your business is running those 60 hours a week that you are putting out now. You don't get paid to stress and try and fix a press that isn't working. Again, think about the family.

Third... you came on here and asked US for our opinions... granted, you said don't give you stories about all the people he ripped off (that is honestly quite a funny statement in itself)... but did you ask for Robert to come on here and start trash talking everyone on here that you asked for their opinions? I mean, Brian did exactly what you asked and gave you his opinion and didn't talk about what you asked him not to talk about yet he was in the list of people that Barnes is attacking?? He keeps telling you to ask "why?", well, I agree... ask "Why?" ask why Barnes has to attack anyone that might tell you answers to the questions that you asked? Why is Barnes polluting your thread and driving it in the ground vs letting people air out their concerns... he's the one that has made this thread go into 6 pages of the "usual". Look at the past day when he was banned and gone... it was quiet... no drama. The drama always shows up when he does. Why don't you ask him to stay out of this thread and see how much "ad nausem" is posted. Yes, people will say "hey, he's ripped off others, do you really want to be associated with him?" but will they post 5 times on it or just once?

You asked for opinions and now people are having to defend those opinions... that doesn't seem fair.

Just think about it... I don't think you can afford to make this mistake... you owe it to your family to think about it.

I really have to laugh about this. I don't print any where near 2k prints a day. I have a brand new Auto.....I don't even turn my press on some days, and we easily afford it. We are printing today, just 5 jobs. We will profit enough in this 1 day to make the payment on our auto. I got 30 other days a month to make money on it. If you are doing 2k shirts a day, and you can't afford a auto...then you really should look at your spending or what you are charging for printing.

Maybe the guy has outstanding medical bills for his kids or something... nothing really makes sense in my mind... but maybe it's something we don't understand.

That was the point of my 2nd point though... if things are THAT tight... then you can't afford to put your livelihood in the hands of someone that has a record such as Barnes's.

I think if you are truly churning out that kind of production and need a new auto you would be insane to put all your eggs into one basket, when and I do mean when a problem occurs with the machine you are beta testing can you afford to be backed up for a week or more? I can understand someone like Miami beta testing they have a dozen machines already, it means nothing to them if one or both go down which actually does happen and quite a lot from what I hear, in fact I hear they are collecting dust in the corner. So Eether are you seriously going to jeapordize your growth because you want to be cheap and get a cheap machine on your floor? When it bites you in the arse you will go back to being nothing more than a manual printer.

I am not attacking you either it may seem so I understand you see an opportunity to get a press on your floor for dirt cheap but it makes no sense once so ever for a small non auto or even a small auto shop to do this.

Just curious if you have made a decision on what you're going to do as far as your equipment purchase?
Thanks!

Guys,
No doubt this guy is an idiot that's for sure! yes, I called him an idiot! he said he's read all about Barnes 1,000 from the same 5 people yet I bet he hasn't once picked up the phone and called Inkman, Pushining Ink, Leon, Brian, or anyone else. Screw the guy, let him get on barnes' jock. can't save the world! BUT...it will be helpful when he has his negative testimony against Barnes that can be used to inform the masses. Good luck EEE, you need it man.

youtube.com/SpiderMachines

click on it:D

http://barnesbuster.wordpress.com/

Now look, he's using your thread to spam... doesn't that make you think maybe people are right about him?

I know he has his spill on "how google works" blah blah blah... I watched him give that to me too. But look at it this way... who uses "google bombs"?

Not upright organizations... they make it through the ranks on google based on merit and just being talked about legitimately enough.

Which goes to prove that he can't legitimately get up in the ranks of google and has to resort to santorum (google it ;) ) type of antics.

:DBumper Likes Gilligan. Just for the record...I choose Ginger:D

Right on man that's awesome. Good to be conservative with the $$$ until it's just too darn busy to not get something bigger if needed.
Congrats!

It Has Been Known To Eat Bull$hitters!!
Hey eetherman, I got a machine fot you!

Best of luck to you, sure it will meet your needs and give you more time to make an educated choice.

Its not mentioned very often but its the little things that nickel and dime you when buying equipment. Its not just the capital purchase to consider.

Lets say you purchase an new machine for $50k, that's all that's on your mind. Now add the shipping, maybe a forklift rental, new compressor, air piping, chiller, electrical, electrician, install expenses, disruption of normal work, more or new screens, etc. You could easily add another $10k-$20k to the purchase price.

Agreed, I spent around 10k on some electrical/gas line work/lifts/more lights and so on. Some of which i counted on some of which was more than I thought it would cost but hey, worth every penny.

Uh oh, Bob won't be too happy about that^
He needs you to talk to M&R so that he can publicly state that you chose the Chinese tampon over everyone else...

This whole thing reeks of this guy already having a handshake deal with booby. Why do you need advice if you already know what you are gonna buy?

Yeeeeehaw! Yippie kiyay mother fuxer!

Could just be a case of getting answers he didn't want to hear.

I know I'm guilty of that... sometimes I want something to work out so bad that when I ask for opinions of if others will think it will work I spend way too much time trying to convince them (probably more myself) that it will work out. In reality I just didn't like the fact that people didn't think the idea would work because I wanted it so badly.

When you ask people's opinions you got to expect that you might hear what you didn't want to hear. You may not realize you "didn't WANT to hear it" at first but that is in reality what is happening.

lol

I guess that could be the case..It's not out of the realm of possibility but didn't this guy already say a couple days ago that Booby is coming to his shop for a visit? Sounds like he is going to have the guru personally answer all of his questions and wouldn't need the like of us.

Hey he has all the answers, I encourage him to buy what he thinks is right, but don't get made when the "I told you so's" come out later lol.

Everyone dislike and flag his videos as spam for mass advertising.
Time to get his Youtube channel shut down.

Note, flagging as scam or fraud would be good too:)

Flag button is right next to the share button underneath the video.

You're making sound like it is your first rodeo. Even with an attorney and a contract, who you going to sue? Iowa has both of those. Seems he's having a problem finding the true owners now.
Used machines sell on this site and eBay every day, machines that can be supported. If you choose this path, walk slow and be prepared for the results. Maybe, just maybe it will work out for you. Service after the sale is everything. I have had nothing but great service and my "Diamondback" cost less then $27,000.00. So after reading you post I wonder why you would even consider such a questionable machine, and it is questionable. Surely you can afford $27,000.00 with the business plan you spoke of. If not... Oops....
I wish you the best of luck, please keep us informed.