Miami Ink!!

WOW, so I just ordered a 5 gal of their Superior white, Non-Phthalate, and a gallon of reducer, with shipping for about 100 bucks less than I normally pay for a 5 gal of wilflex quick white. Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.:D Can't wait to try this stuff, lots o guys been raving about it. Kevin was super cool to deal with too!

Mike

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yes, and I print epic plastisol on top and have not had any problems. I actually use it for underbase on my 50/50 tshirts aswell.

screenprintguy wrote:
REally!!! wow, that I'm looking forward to. I always have to reduce quick white to keep it from climbing, and it has to be waaaay reduced to use as an underbase, it has puff in it. Kevin said the miami whites don't have puff, but are very opaque. Still looks like I'm going to be stuck buying 115 dollar a gallon poly white since they don't make one at Miami, but the savings on this helps out a lot!

If your quick white is climbing like that then you have something going on. We use it daily with no additives straight out of the bucket. No climbing issues Everything from 156-230 mesh.

If your paying that much your getting ripped off. I pay a lot less than that for it. I would request better pricing from you supplier.

Quick white also does not have puff in it FYI.

PolyOne rep themselves, at Poly one on the production floor said they "do" have a hint of puff in Quick white, it was developed for the brand QuickSilver to raise up when curing. Not a lot, but a hint, right out of an R&D tech's mouth. What are you paying for 5 gals of Quick white?

I'm still trying to order a gallon of it.

*shrug*

I email and then get no response, follow up and get a confused response, clarify and get no response.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

I thought someone posted they did not have a phalate free ink?

And yes I am just finishing up a five gallon of the smooth and it has been perfect all the way.

Mike, they have phthalate free in smooth and superior. I went with the superior and see how that goes, he said a lot of people love the smooth, but I figure I can reduce amounts if I need to. It was good to hear that they have the phthalate free thought. 5 gals $195. 5 gal of wilflex quick white right now is 365, that's nuts!!!!!!!! can't wait to try this stuff out! He also sold me on trying a straight liquid reducer, instead of curable reducer. I had no idea, curable reducers have all the bad components that we are trying to avoid in the ink. The thick part of the curable reducer ends up being freakin pvc, doesn't quite make sense going with the clean ink if you reduce it only to put the crap back in it. Kevin was very informative on the phone.

Love my superior on press. A little stringy but damn I NEVER have to recenter, doesn't climb, great one hit opacity and smooth lay-down.

musterdbom wrote:
Love my superior on press. A little stringy but damn I NEVER have to recenter, doesn't climb, great one hit opacity and smooth lay-down.

REally!!! wow, that I'm looking forward to. I always have to reduce quick white to keep it from climbing, and it has to be waaaay reduced to use as an underbase, it has puff in it. Kevin said the miami whites don't have puff, but are very opaque. Still looks like I'm going to be stuck buying 115 dollar a gallon poly white since they don't make one at Miami, but the savings on this helps out a lot!

screenprintguy wrote:
2 minute phone call =)

Yeah, you would think. But no phone call from him. ;)

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

The smooth I got blows quick white away! Opacity is much better, it is a bit more stcky but some simple adjustments and it flows extremely well. Good to know its phalate free.

Only thing I dont like about using a curable reducer is it changes the flash time,, not always good when your using a quart flash and your palettes are piping hot.

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I missed a call from him a while back and did not call him back. It would almost seem cost prohibitive to buy from someone completely across the country with shipping.

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Prosperi-Tees wrote:
I missed a call from him a while back and did not call him back. It would almost seem cost prohibitive to buy from someone completely across the country with shipping.

Not when a 5'er is 100-200 less than some other brands.

I prefer the superior, it's a little more to my liking over the smooth, but the smooth is better than most. I think the superior is a tad bit more opaque, but with that you lose a little bit of the workability of the ink. That stuff with a touch of qcm 159 mixed in with it, maybe 10-15% really brings out the best in both inks. I don't want it super short bodied like the 159 is, but I don't want it as long bodied as the smooth and superior are right out of the bucket either. I'll take a long bodied white over short any day for the auto. There is nothing worse than having to put a half gallon of ink in a screen to print 36 shirts.

You have to make sure and ask for Phthalate free if that's what you want, otherwise I believe the standard in smooth and standard in superior are like 2 bucks a gallon less, but specify. It's totally worth the difference I normally get free freight with my ink purchases, but with that big of a cost difference, I'll eat a lil UPS. The more people we can get on with this, the more likely it will be for Miami to keep a nice low cost based on volume sales. I just like to pass on a good deal when others have passed it on to me. Thanks Alan for taking my texts over the weekend, I know you are busy man!

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We use it to. We no longer use other whites. You cant beat this ink for price, opacity, flash time and how well it works on the auto.

The smooth is the best white ink we have EVER used...will be ordering some more soon, just need to use up the expensive stuff we have first, hate to just waste it.

Chad Sherman
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(877) 551-0852

I told all of you guys Miami ink was the best. and know for a second hint staples is the best place for tape PERIOD! email me and I will give you the low down.

screenprintguy wrote:
REally!!! wow, that I'm looking forward to. I always have to reduce quick white to keep it from climbing, and it has to be waaaay reduced to use as an underbase, it has puff in it. Kevin said the miami whites don't have puff, but are very opaque. Still looks like I'm going to be stuck buying 115 dollar a gallon poly white since they don't make one at Miami, but the savings on this helps out a lot!

Why not add a poly additive!

pushing ink wrote:
Why not add a poly additive!

Which one do you recommend? I've never tried one before. Thanks for the leed!!!

screenprintguy wrote:
Which one do you recommend? I've never tried one before. Thanks for the leed!!!

call nazdar. We use some nyla-bond.

NYLA BOND is an additive for printing on nylon not poly. Ink altered wityh a nylon catalyst will cure harder and more brittle, not what you want on most poly garments since they have some stretch to them.

Any nylobond that I've used before actually made the ink turn into a rock a couple weeks later and didn't do any bleed blocking only helps adhere to the nylon. Is there a bleed block additive?

screenprintguy wrote:
Any nylobond that I've used before actually made the ink turn into a rock a couple weeks later and didn't do any bleed blocking only helps adhere to the nylon. Is there a bleed block additive?

You can try matting powder. That in small amounts will help. The point of adding fast flash powder or bonding agent to plastisol or hugger is that you cure the ink at a lower temperature of say 120 Celsius instead of 168 and with the lower temperature you get less dye migration. Yes it does go harder according to volume you use, you can try printing a first down Lycra / Stretch as well...

Actually wiz nylon catalyst is not intended to lower the cure temp, it is to help adhere to nylon. If you read the instructions it states it still requires the ink to be fully cured. I have seen people for years think nylon catalyst is a curing additive, sure printing tote bags or chairs you can get away with a less than cured print but it is not worth the risk on apparel that will be washed. They make whites that are for poly and have a lower cure temp, they also make inks that are catalyzed for nylon with a lower cure temp.

I'm trying a gallon of the Wilflex Epic Performance white. It's supposed to cure between 240-280 degrees vs 320-350. Supposedly smoother too, we will see. I've actually in the past, mixed poly white with some black, made a nice grey and used that as an underbase. They do make an underbase grey but for the extra doe it's easy to whip some up on your own. The grey seems to help block out alot better than just the poly white, especially on camo, camo bleeds like a stuffed pig and we do alot of printing on camo from Rothco. Colors pop nice on a grey base as well. I'm just always looking to see what else people have had luck with. Kevin said he is staying out of the poly white game because of the un-reliability of dyeing these days. Seems there are some factories not properly "fixing" in the dye and we end up with the battle in our shops.

Mike the nylon hugger catalyst here clearly says reduces curing after gelling at 120 degrees with plastisol @ 5-6% recommended added, needs 96 hours minimum to cure before wearing, washing etc.

screenprintguy wrote:
I'm trying a gallon of the Wilflex Epic Performance white. It's supposed to cure between 240-280 degrees vs 320-350. Supposedly smoother too, we will see. I've actually in the past, mixed poly white with some black, made a nice grey and used that as an underbase. They do make an underbase grey but for the extra doe it's easy to whip some up on your own. The grey seems to help block out alot better than just the poly white, especially on camo, camo bleeds like a stuffed pig and we do alot of printing on camo from Rothco. Colors pop nice on a grey base as well. I'm just always looking to see what else people have had luck with. Kevin said he is staying out of the poly white game because of the un-reliability of dyeing these days. Seems there are some factories not properly "fixing" in the dye and we end up with the battle in our shops.

Correct! The fabrics are sometimes over dyed, particularly navy and black which can sometimes bleed red or blue etc. there are also many dies and process like reactive, arsenic and sulphur overdies activators etc. it's usually the cheaper shirts which give grief. We don't print anything bought out of a chain store anymore, only from decorator distributors of garments. Even then someone always has an odd batch that mis-behaves!!! We charge a premium now for polyester printing....

Printwizard wrote:
Mike the nylon hugger catalyst here clearly says reduces curing after gelling at 120 degrees with plastisol @ 5-6% recommended added, needs 96 hours minimum to cure before wearing, washing etc.

Not familiar with hugger but nylobond clearly states cure at the plastisols normal curing temp. It also is not recommended to use with any poly inks since it will compromise the poly blocking ability hence never use it for poly ink printing.

What is hugger and by who?

screenprintguy wrote:
I'm trying a gallon of the Wilflex Epic Performance white. It's supposed to cure between 240-280 degrees vs 320-350. Supposedly smoother too, we will see. I've actually in the past, mixed poly white with some black, made a nice grey and used that as an underbase. They do make an underbase grey but for the extra doe it's easy to whip some up on your own. The grey seems to help block out alot better than just the poly white, especially on camo, camo bleeds like a stuffed pig and we do alot of printing on camo from Rothco. Colors pop nice on a grey base as well. I'm just always looking to see what else people have had luck with. Kevin said he is staying out of the poly white game because of the un-reliability of dyeing these days. Seems there are some factories not properly "fixing" in the dye and we end up with the battle in our shops.

I have low cure polys as well only problem tho is if you print any other color then you have no choice but to cure at higher temps.

I know what you mean with customers trying to bring off the rack stuff, "NO NO NO", we've noticed 50/50 jerzees brand in Kelly green has something reaaaally nasty in it, when we get a run of those, we all have to put 3m masks on in the shop, the smell and smoke from those is awefull.

cures at 290, its the best on the market, I have been using it since it came out.