Interesting instructions for your digitizer

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The art has a design with a solid white rectangle with a black border on it... but since it is an image of their actual signage I do not know if you want the solid rectangle, outline only, or no rectangle. Most clients do not do solid fills behind their designs as they add considerably to the stitchcounts and are not usually needed.

Client response to my inquiry: "hi, no triangle is needed, please proceed"

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That's interesting! but i try to communicate as i am not much busy, with 2 to 3 email exchange, i get idea what they needed in these type of cases

Steve
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(Price : 10 USD Flat OR 1.5 USD/1000 Stitches)
First Two designs Free to Try
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so this morning a client wants a design done at 2.5 inches wide with lettering that would require this to be 4.25 inches wide IF they used thinner 60 or even 75 wt(bobbin) thread. we go back and forth and she is upset with my responses... "do you know who I am?!~) why yes mam a client who doesn't know crap about what you are selling... please go away as I would LOVE to send you to some competitors...here is a list! Sorry same old diatribe on my part... they are salespeople but they know nothing about the medium. Not their fault but actually it IS... learn, it is simple... just look at any design at the size requested from your client and I bet both you and your client will instantly think "oh geez I have never seen embroidery that size" It isn't rocket science.

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Seriously:

Client: "why can you not provide a 3.5 inch tall design that will work on a hat?"

Even here in Texas with our big heads and egos and all .... oh honey child... lol

As my Dad still says: " Do you ride the bus or bring your lunch to school?" To this day it still makes no sense to me but he still says it. Mountains of North Carolina speak. not bad

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ah 2020 with a BANG!
Client: "May I please have you rotate the icon so that the blue crescent faces left towards Mind Springs and that will cause the green crescent to face right towards west springs this will keep the blue crescent stacked first and the green crescent next in line"

this actually makes sense but thought all the writing was a bit excessive as "rotate 90degrees to the right" would have worked fine.

but I want green first and blue can flip off! lol

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And I thought I had bad customers.
Wow I feel Bad for you. The only problem i have in embroidery is that the customer want everything cheap price, or sometimes when i show them how the logo gonna come out, and they agree and then they say the don't like the product, and then they want a new one.
But at least I don't have to deal with that.
The thing I have to deal with is people want embroidered stuff in like 5 minutes or When they bring their stuff from Walmart or Old Navy and tell other customers to do the same thing, so they can save money, even though people are losing jobs Because of Big retail chains and Online Shopping.

Yesterday I had a lady, who bought shirts from Amazon for $2. Let me tell you, as a wholesaler, some of those shirts, my cost is like $5-$8 or sometimes even more.

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They are good clients, most in this industry are, but I just get so darn frustrated that they do not know what they are doing and seem to have no desire to figure it out! Oh the embroidery is in the wrong color... must be the digitizers fault. lol
Be like me working in an auto parts store... sorry sir this is the carburetor I found on the shelf it should fit your engine (yes I added the .......s cause I know how you love that! lol! Hope you are having a great beginning to 2020!)

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Hi

Just now finished doing 3 designs (each design was of 54 inch), and around 75k stitches

Got reply that he made mistake on his end, he was in need for vector, not digitizing

Client is good, not sure what to do

Steve
Embroidery Digitizier and Color Separation
20 Years Experience
(Price : 10 USD Flat OR 1.5 USD/1000 Stitches)
First Two designs Free to Try
gnizitigid@gmail.com

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embroidery1 I hope our clients are not seeing this as a "hobby" although you may be correct in the sense you pick it up and do it at your leisure. If it is a "hobby" then I am proud to say this Nov. will be my 30th anniversary making a SOLE living off said "hobby"!! Hey if you love what you do then do you really ever work a day?

What interests me about your post is the thread count issue which sounds to me that you are experienced in hand embroidery. If this is the case please start a thread as I am sure many of us would love to learn and in my case blending hand with machine (like quilting). Please share what you know. Thanks!

Finally I agree with the learning curve but other than by trial and error where should anyone go to actually learn? ISS shows possibly? Forums such as this?

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Hi

Just now finished doing 3 designs (each design was of 54 inch), and around 75k stitches

Email was saying "we need 3 digitizings. The original size is 1380x58mm.."

Got reply that he made mistake on his end, he was in need for vector, not digitizing

Client is good, not sure what to do

Steve
Embroidery Digitizier and Color Separation
20 Years Experience
(Price : 10 USD Flat OR 1.5 USD/1000 Stitches)
First Two designs Free to Try
gnizitigid@gmail.com

Hi Robert

I think some clients when they start embroidery as new business with along side printing, they can send these type of questions or quotes

Steve
Embroidery Digitizier and Color Separation
20 Years Experience
(Price : 10 USD Flat OR 1.5 USD/1000 Stitches)
First Two designs Free to Try
gnizitigid@gmail.com

dang. y'all are making me feel really lucky. i don't think i've had any of those problems! i think i would have told that customer that it was going to be way more than 10k before i started so they weren't surprised and maybe try to come up with ideas to lighten it. a light fill? applique? i don't expect new customers to be experts on guessing stitch count. some customers ask for a stitch count quote along with a design quote. actually, some old customers ask for stitch count quotes too when they really need it. i don't mind doing it.

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gnizitigid wrote:
Hi

Just now finished doing 3 designs (each design was of 54 inch), and around 75k stitches

Email was saying "we need 3 digitizings. The original size is 1380x58mm.."

Got reply that he made mistake on his end, he was in need for vector, not digitizing

Client is good, not sure what to do

wow, that is a tough one. Depends on how "good" the client is I suspect? Maybe split the difference and each eat half? Or let it all go and chalk it up to "goodwill"? Let us know how this works out for you.

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OH we got some bright ones out now Charlie Brown. Lets take a perfectly good/safe PPE and put 4000 to 20,000 holes in it so you can have a pretty embroidery on your face! Yep adding holes makes perfect sense I think we should even use a button hole attachment so we can insert a straw so you can drink through it. I mean one more hole can't hurt. right?

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HaHaHa. The joys of actually DOING the embroidery.

In the second week of September I shall be going down to the Cape Town area and meeting with the owner and staff of an embroidery business. I get quite a lot of their digitizing work and I am going to spend some time with them getting them to understand why some things are IMPOSSIBLE to do with needle and thread (Such as your example above). Also - why I need answers to the questions I (regularly!) ask them. Simple answers to questions like "What SIZE would you want this? I get asked for guesstimate stitch counts - and no size is given. Aaaaaargh!

Then - I know they have bought the Gen2 Cap Frame - but if I send anything over 5.5cm in height for caps I get asked to reduce it, because the lady on the machines prefers to use the regular cap frame. (That is something that is going to change in September.) Wish me luck. :)

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ayugup

I feel and understand your pain.

I do not deal with "cheap" sorry. Today is my birthday and I did a design for 2200.00 My time and experience is worth something. Sometimes you have to raise your prices to weed out some clients and attract a different TYPE.

What end users see at WalMart etc... well those embroiderers tend to use thinner threads...slow the machines down for parts, etc.... we typically do not do either. HOW DO WE COMPETE without doing the same and MORE? we cannot.

oh did I mention today is my birthday? lol thought that was funny.

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HaHaHa. The joys of actually DOING the embroidery.

In the second week of September I shall be going down to the Cape Town area and meeting with the owner and staff of an embroidery business. I get quite a lot of their digitizing work and I am going to spend some time with them getting them to understand why some things are IMPOSSIBLE to do with needle and thread (Such as your example above). Also - why I need answers to the questions I (regularly!) ask them. Simple answers to questions like "What SIZE would you want this? I get asked for guesstimate stitch counts - and no size is given. Aaaaaargh!

Then - I know they have bought the Gen2 Cap Frame - but if I send anything over 5.5cm in height for caps I get asked to reduce it, because the lady on the machines prefers to use the regular cap frame. (That is something that is going to change in September.) Wish me luck. :)

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have not posted here for a bit... BUT what do ANY OF YOU think about this for a left chest? seriously a left chest. oh do the class markings get included? just want to ask.

I mean who in any part of our profession actually would consider this OK on a left chest... just answered my own question with the word "profession"

just....no.

digitizing...since 1996. dixiedesigns.net

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Instructions: "This logo must sew out in a Tajima 15cm Hoop Please make it as large as possible keeping within the 15cm hoop size."

Quote the design a bit over 5 inches wide... client : "WHY THE HECK IS THIS DESIGN SO LARGE??@!!!!??!!!"

huh? What size would your prefer it to be?

Client: "less than 3.25 inches wide"

Scratching my head? bi polar ? two people working same order? or simply clueless?

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client: "why are these designs not sewing center out? I clearly ordered them for hats!"

Me... "design has 6 letters... (let's say ABCDEF) C sews first, then B, then A, then DEF. sounds pretty center out to me? no"

Client: "well ANY idiot digitizer should know that the DEF (right side) should sew first!"

uh OK

yeah, that's bad. i've never been called an idiot though....where do you find these people??

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this morning a client wants to know why the design will not fit on a side panel of a hat. HMMM order was sent in for a HAT... normally without other instructions we take that to mean a hat FRONT.. 4 inches or wider. l am SO sorry I did not take my mind reading pills and understand that this was for a hat side. please advise "hat side panel" as well as if the hat is a low profile or a full profile? OR here is an idea... just off the top of my pointy head... just tell us the size you want!?!?

i hate when they tell me the size they want. sometimes they'll say left chest at 1.5' tall, but that ends up making it 6" wide. i'd rather make it the size i think would work best. can you provide an amazon link for the mind reading pills? could use them in my personal life too... :D

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Design is a diamond shape with lettering inside it. I ask if the diamond is to be solid embroidery or the fabric showing through and if the small lettering inside the diamond can be enlarged and placed below the diamond OR abbreviated to fit within the diamond at a larger size.

Client: "what diamond?"

me: "I am sorry, maybe I have the wrong art? there is a shape around the lettering, a diamond no?!"

Client: "Yes, this is the correct art and there is a diamond shape around text. I am just confused by what you mean about the diamond being solid embroidery?"

me: "do you want the diamond filled with thread (solid) or do you want the fabric to show through?"

Client: "The diamond should be a solid embroidery and should not show through the garment."

ARGGHH...... wonder if I should ask about the lettering again? Took several times to get PART of the original clarification answered.

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this happens DAILY... we will clarify multiple items on a design and the client will answer ONE of those items. Like they have to go find out the answer of that first part... they leave then return when they have the answer and quickly send it to us... part 2 or 3 are ignored or forgotten in the excitement of getting one off the list!

After a few back and forths we have all the info.. but this process can take longer sometimes than OUR LEAD TIME! So now the client wants to know why is the design taking so long? lol, seriously! (common response... : "couldn't you have started on all the parts that did NOT need clarifying?") yes, if mapping for production efficiency is not important.

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"client" sends in a tagline change request for a 14 year old design. not a problem but "client" has not ordered a single design from us for 8 years. sorry, I am not going to do the work, have another person send you a bill and then wait 30+ days for 5 bucks. OH you think they will come back to us for a tagline? NO My point to them was why just not have whomever has been doing your digitizing for the past 8 years make this change? HOW RUDE! lol oh have I lost you as a customer>? Sorry I guess my frustration is in the concept that there is no statute of limitations on a design? Thankfully they and we are still in business 14 years later but on my part it is not on my people skills...but on my digitizing skills. Thoughts? (other than I am a Pri..) ? I am sorry but no contact in 8 years after 498 previous designs... kinda hurts. went cheaper I guess so let them do this. off my soapbox. lol

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client today: "why did you change the design for the left chest version?"

Me... "sorry did you not read during the quote process what changes we would need to make to allow the lettering to be legible? Did you NOT approve the quote?"

Client: "Oh I don't have time to read that cra#"

UH UH UH ??????????

I would tell you my response but

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It must be something in the air.
Via a third party I've been asked to digitize a circular logo with an outlined word underneath. Instructions are it must be 18cm x 18cm. I query whether they want the width or the height to be 18cm? NO!!!! IT MUST BE 18cm x 18cm.
Fine - I shall distort your file accordingly, and charge an editing fee later.

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Client.... "here is the art layout and the instructions are on the art but we would like to change the wooden leg on the pirate to his left leg"

OK, but art already has the wooden leg as his left leg? "NO I mean as you look at the art put the wooden leg to the left" so I actually had to LOL so you actually mean RIGHT leg.... ?

we get this all the time. same as on a hat do you mean left side as wearing or left side as looking at the front of the hat. honestly it goes either way so there is no greater percentage on either answer.

As digitizers we kinda have to follow instructions. Please give instructions that cannot be misconstrued. Who would be at fault if you ran 30 jackets with the wooden leg on the pirates left leg as the art stated? I would think you would be. Thoughts? I mean I understand always better to ask but you could tie up a design with multiple back and forths if you Heaven Forbid have more than 1 question. Invariably we will receive and answer on one then have to send it back for the answer to the others. This can go on for a few days and NOW the design is an Emergency Rush they feel they should not have to pay rush fees for.

Thanks again for allowing me to vent a little with my peers as I have NEVER mentioned a client company.

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My question on a quote: "what white parts in the design get embroidered? the small lettering in the banners would just be running stitches and probably not legible at the size they are wanting, just too small for embroidery"

answer from client: "What size would this need to be in order to be all seen? Remove the small lettering inside the banner, do as running stitches."

white parts?

Remove the lettering AND do them as running stitches???

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Austin K wrote:
Hi

My client wants me to digitize an image and want to maintain quality and want to cut down the number of stitches. Current stitch count of my design is 20,000.

Anyone there who can help me?

are there any areas of the design that you can let the fabric show through on? maybe change some of the detailing from satin stitch to running?(most do not like that but if stitchcount is more important than quality your client might go for it)

IF NOT.... politely tell them this is it.... OR they can join the HogWarts School of Magic and when their wand picks them they can just "poof" and it will make it happen!!

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Client: "HI! please digitize this 24 inches wide for a tablecloth, thanks!"

We ask: "Hi there!, can you sew something 24 inches in width or should we split into 2 or more sections for you? thanks"

Client: "no, our largest sash is 22 inches wide so we will just reduce on the machine, thanks!"

hmmmm (do ANY machines remove or add stitches when sizes are changed at that point? ) My machines will keep the same stitchcount when reducing... not the best for quality I would think, depending on the design of course.

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I was sent this file - with the instructions to "Digitize this"! :rolleyes:
I have told them to get a MUCH clearer picture if they really want it done.
Sadly I get the worst photos to work from. If I can find their image on Google I will still go ahead with it, but the majority are small schools or church groups who have no presence on Google at all (and no idea how to get a clear image on their phones).

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gnizitigid wrote:
Hi Robert

I think some clients when they start embroidery as new business with along side printing, they can send these type of questions or quotes

I agree but I would still think the company they work with would have some sort of rudimentary training so they look knowledgeable to their clients? now if they are a small 2 person shop I would still think they have read trade mags, googled things, and even spent some time on an embroidery floor and talking to a digitizer or two? At least??

I really think there is a perception out there by many that what a digitizer does is simply press a button or two and voila! And all an embroidery machine is is a printer that uses thread instead of ink.. just hit the SEW button and it all comes out GREAT!

BTW the client with the 10k vs 50k issue has ordered 68 designs from us. (not sure if there will be a 69) but the point is she was not NEW to the medium.

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Well, I guess some people feel they have to try their luck.
They sure would get a loud, resounding "NO!' from me - as I am sure they did from you.
But I still enjoy reading about the weirdos that you manage to get. :)

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